[Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was: classes and times

Fri Jan 7 21:24:54 UTC 2011

thanks, this is good to know.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was: classes and 
times


> Lynda, and others,
>
> Just so you know, this last board meeting that is being discussed so
> harshly, actually included a "discussion" of possible ways to reward our
> wonderful teachers that make all of these classes possible.
>
> I also would like to reiterate that this division has NOT stolen anyone's
> materials and profited from it. Please see all the other messages that 
> have
> covered this point and you are more than welcome to contact me off-list 
> for
> my phone number if you feel that you need more clarification.
>
> Cindy S.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> River Woman
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:46 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was:
>> classes and times
>>
>>
>> As a fairly recent member of Kraftsrs-Korner I should
>> probably just keep my
>> mouth shut, but this whole thing is really frightening to me
>> the more I am
>> reading about it.  Who in their right mind would voluntarily
>> teach a class
>> knowing that the entire class (conception, printed materials, voice
>> recordings) could be sold? Folks, this is unethical and mean spirited.
>>
>> And, what really set me off today was to read the comments by
>> Cindy that
>> used the "past tense" in discussing one of the volunteer
>> teachers.  What in
>> the world is going on?
>>
>> I just love being a part of this group, and I am worried. I
>> want to take
>> more classes and participate fully. And, I want the teachers
>> to be honored
>> and appreciated because they sure deserve it from my vantage point.
>>
>> Lynda River Woman
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was:
>> classes and
>> times
>>
>>
>> > Cindy:
>> >
>> > Three ()3) years is a long time and most all of the people on the
>> > Board of
>> > the Krafters Korner division have been long-time members of
>> other NFB
>> > divisions and are aware of how meeting & reports are
>> handled and the
>> > frequency with which they are & should be prepared.  Let's
>> get real on
>> > this one.
>> >
>> > I'm one of the people who's materials are trying to be scammed and
>> > profited from by the NFB without my permission.  Do you or
>> other board
>> > members deny having discussed your legal strong hold on my class
>> > recordings or the recordings of other instructors? Further,
>> do you deny
>> > having discussed that the NFB owns those recordings and
>> will sell them as
>> > fund raisers for the NFB?
>> >
>> > I know a little more about what was discussed in that
>> meeting than you
>> > think, even though I did not have the opportunity to call
>> in and speak up
>> > for myself.
>> >
>> > Can we stop the game playing and start being honest?
>> > Eileen
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>> > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:16 PM
>> > To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was:
>> classes and
>> > times
>> >
>> >> Eileen,
>> >>
>> >> First, this is the first email I am reading today,
>> therefore, I have
>> >> no prior knowledge to any of the discussion that may have occurred
>> >> just prior to this message.
>> >>
>> >> Second, every year at the annual meeting of this division, a
>> >> Presidential Report, Secretary's Report, and Treasurer's Report is
>> >> given.
>> >>
>> >> Third, do you have any idea how long the NAGDU division has been
>> >> around?
>> >> I
>> >> know for at least ten years or more. I also have attended
>> several of
>> >> their
>> >> meetings and know that their membership is substantially
>> larger than ours
>> >> (their annual meeting attendance is triple or more than ours).
>> >>
>> >> Now, the reason that I say that is to point out that they have had
>> >> many years to grow, many years to try new things, and many
>> years to
>> >> expand their membership and meet its needs. As you stated, we are
>> >> only three years old;
>> >> that puts us in the early stages of growth and learning to
>> meet the needs
>> >> of
>> >> our membership.
>> >>
>> >> As part of the leadership, I can tell you that we are
>> learning about
>> >> keeping
>> >> records and generating reports (other than the those
>> listed above) and
>> >> how
>> >> to make that available to the membership. All of the
>> reports that I
>> >> listed
>> >> above are read at the annual meeting and anyone--member or
>> >> non-member--may
>> >> attend that meeting. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE IN SECRET and I
>> personally
>> >> resent
>> >> the fact that you insinuate that it is. Any of these
>> reports could have
>> >> been
>> >> provided to anyone that asked for them. Did you ask for a copy and
>> >> someone
>> >> refused to supply it to you? The National Office requires
>> reports from us
>> >> every year. Did you ask if we could have a board meeting
>> to discuss this
>> >> topic? Did you ask if the board meeting could be open to
>> the membership?
>> >>
>> >> The Board of this division is NOT trying to keep anything from the
>> >> membership. The meeting we had last night was called back
>> in December
>> >> before this discussion about classes was ever brought up.
>> Joyce has
>> >> been compiling
>> >> data on classes and trying to put together an end of year
>> report to let
>> >> the
>> >> membership see how many classes we have had and what
>> accomplishments
>> >> we've
>> >> made and hope to do in the future. This has been in the
>> process for over
>> >> a
>> >> month. We are taking in all of the things that have been
>> done and looking
>> >> at
>> >> comments that members have made to Joyce privately and
>> trying to figure
>> >> out
>> >> how we can move toward meeting some of those requests.
>> >>
>> >> Right now, I am deeply disappointed that the work being
>> done by this
>> >> board
>> >> to try and figure out how to accomplish things in the
>> future for the
>> >> ENTIRE
>> >> group is not being given the time to come up with solutions.
>> >>
>> >> Cindy S.
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dixie
>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 9:59 AM
>> >>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports
>> was: classes
>> >>> and times
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I am the treasurer of the Connecticut Council of the Blind. I am
>> >>> required to make a monthly statement of the treasury,
>> receipts and
>> >>> disbursements.  I think that this is a reasonable
>> request.  I also
>> >>> think that this is a reasonable request to have monthly
>> or quarterly
>> >>> general organizational meetings for the membership.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>  Dixie
>> >>> ~  @-> ~ <-@  ~
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Eileen
>> >>> Scrivani
>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 9:44 AM
>> >>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>> >>>
>> >>> Cindy:
>> >>>
>> >>> I've been a paid up dues member of this division & a volunteer
>> >>> instructor since just about its beginning.  I think it will be 3
>> >>> years this summer and
>> >>> in all that time I have never seen any mention of open board
>> >>> meetings and
>> >>> maybe saw only one of the board meeting reports about 2 years
>> >>> ago that was
>> >>> written up by Audrey as Secretary for the division.  Another
>> >>> two people on
>> >>> this list  has called it to my attention, something I was not
>> >>> aware of and
>> >>> something the board for this group does not make publically
>> >>> known is that
>> >>> all NFB board meetings for I think all the divisions are open
>> >>> and any member
>> >>>
>> >>> can attend and be a part of the process.  The Nagdu division, has
>> >>> monthly meetings (it is a national division so they do it
>> by phone)
>> >>> and they make
>> >>> announcements on their list asking if members have questions
>> >>> they would like
>> >>>
>> >>> to discuss during the phone meeting.  In other words, all the
>> >>> members are invited to be active participants.  With that
>> said, why
>> >>> wasn't the phone
>> >>> number for the Krafters division meeting posted and the offer
>> >>> of having as
>> >>> many members attend as wanted to?  If I had been allowed to
>> >>> participate in
>> >>> the meeting of the other night I would have been there and
>> >>> know there are
>> >>> other instructors with similar concerns that would have attended.
>> >>>
>> >>> Additionally, in the 3 years I've been a dues paying
>> member, I have
>> >>> never nor has anyone else who is just a member seen a treasurer's
>> >>> report, no
>> >>> report on how many people are signed up to this list no
>> >>> report on how many
>> >>> of the members are paying dues, no report on classes that
>> >>> have been offered,
>> >>>
>> >>> no report on itemized expenses for the group.  Just no
>> reporting of
>> >>> any kind. A little verbal mention on a Monday night chat, by the
>> >>> way is not a
>> >>> report nor a substitute for a board meeting.  So after 3
>> >>> years of paying
>> >>> dues, how much money is in the Krafters Korners Division's
>> >>> treasury and what
>> >>>
>> >>> is it being spent on?  If you don't have that information off the
>> >>> top of your head or other leadership does not know the answers off
>> >>> the tops of
>> >>> their heads, then where are the written records in accessible
>> >>> format so that
>> >>>
>> >>> members can find this information out?   Any organization
>> >>> that collects
>> >>> money must be above and beyond question and there is an
>> obligation
>> >>> to report
>> >>>
>> >>> openly & honestly on where the money is going and how much of it
>> >>> there is. These are serious concerns that all need to be addressed
>> >>> openly & publically
>> >>>
>> >>> for division members.
>> >>>
>> >>> When exactly and how frequently are board meetings held?
>> What is the
>> >>> phone number so that members can participate and have a
>> say in what
>> >>> goes on?  When
>> >>>
>> >>> was the last time this board for this group met?  When is
>> the next
>> >>> board meeting date & time?  I think what ever went on in
>> >>> Wednesday's night meeting
>> >>>
>> >>> was a fraud because yes it was behind closed doors and not at all
>> >>> democratic, but very dictatorial.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for the openness and honesty.
>> >>>
>> >>> Eileen
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:35 AM
>> >>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> >>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>> >>>
>> >>> > Eileen,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I am NOT speaking for the board in this message.
>> However, I want
>> >>> > to assure you that your questions and complaints have not
>> >>> fallen on deaf
>> >>> > ears. As you stated, the leadership needs to make the final
>> >>> decision.
>> >>> > Until that decision
>> >>> > is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not
>> >>> meet daily or
>> >>> > weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single day.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You will be contacted when things are finalized.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from the
>> >>> instructors, you
>> >>> > are only one instructor and we want to know why the other
>> >>> instructors
>> >>> > or potential instructors are not joining the discussion
>> because it
>> >>> > doesn't matter what time students would like classes if
>> >>> there are no
>> >>> > instructors available to teach them at alternate times.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > This topic was started as a way to hear from the membership
>> >>> and create
>> >>> > a list of times that we might be able to fill in the
>> >>> future. No one on
>> >>> > the board or in the division expects you as ONE instructor
>> >>> to find a
>> >>> > way to fill all of these times. You have been a great
>> >>> instructor and
>> >>> > provided a valuable
>> >>> > resource to this division. There have been many
>> students that have
>> >>> > benefited from your classes.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Cindy S.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>> >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> >>> Of Eileen
>> >>> >> Scrivani
>> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43 PM
>> >>> >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Joyce:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> besides seneding you three private emails on this
>> topic, I am an
>> >>> >> instructor who has posted thoughts on the subject of class
>> >>> >> recordings, but my messages to the divison leadeership
>> has fallen
>> >>> >> on deaf ears.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> >> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04 PM
>> >>> >> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > I am back online with JAWS working 100% so now I can
>> >>> reply to the
>> >>> >> > emails.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > After listening to all the email regarding classes and after
>> >>> >> > discussing this with the board members of the NFB Krafters
>> >>> >> Division I
>> >>> >> > would like others to  know our thoughts.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > We defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
>> >>> >> but around
>> >>> >> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and bring
>> >>> >> Krafters Korner
>> >>> >> > every where there is a need for  us to learn, share and
>> >>> teach each
>> >>> >> > other the crafting skills of this group.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > With all that has been said it has proven that we need more
>> >>> >> classes at
>> >>> >> > different times.  After saying that we have the ability of
>> >>> >> doing these
>> >>> >> > classes, recording them and having students interact
>> >>> live with the
>> >>> >> > teacher and other students.  Now we need to find a way to
>> >>> >> do this at
>> >>> >> > different times to
>> >>> >> > include more people around the World.  We have heard from
>> >>> >> friends in
>> >>> >> > India,
>> >>> >> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that have taken or
>> >>> >> would love to
>> >>> >> > take a  class, but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
>> >>> >> each one of
>> >>> >> > you to
>> >>> >> > seriously think about what you would like from Krafters
>> >>> >> Korner and if one
>> >>> >> > of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
>> >>> >> you to please
>> >>> >> > contact me  off list.  _Blindhands at aol.com_
>> >>> >> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
>> >>> >> > I would like to work with you to make this happen.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > While this conversation went on there was not much comments
>> >>> >> being made
>> >>> >> > from
>> >>> >> > our teachers regarding this and I would also like to
>> >>> hear from the
>> >>> >> > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
>> >>> >> different time zones
>> >>> >> > and maybe
>> >>> >> > some of  them would be willing to try different times for
>> >>> >> classes.  I need
>> >>> >> > to
>> >>> >> > hear  from the teachers.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > The question has been brought up why and who picked
>> >>> classes to be
>> >>> >> > during the week starting at 8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
>> >>> >> first started
>> >>> >> > out the list was small and most folks were living on the
>> >>> East coast
>> >>> >> > and Central time zone.  Laurie Porter did our first
>> class and
>> >>> >> > it was a
>> >>> >> beading class.   I
>> >>> >> > had
>> >>> >> > asked  our list people what time and weekend or during the
>> >>> >> week would
>> >>> >> > be best and that is how we started out.  We did try
>> >>> classes on the
>> >>> >> > weekend during the day and in the evening and in the
>> >>> evening during
>> >>> >> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a class in the
>> >>> >> > evening during the week.  When classes began we would maybe
>> >>> >> > have
>> >>> 3or 4 and
>> >>> >> > maybe 5 people at a
>> >>> >> class.   That did
>> >>> >> > include the teacher and me in those numbers.  Now look at
>> >>> >> the  attendence
>> >>> >> > of a
>> >>> >> > class.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > So please contact me off list and let's work together to
>> >>> >> develop this
>> >>> >> > further.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Joyce  Kane
>> >>> >> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> >>> >> > Blindhands at AOL.com
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