[Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was: classes and times

Fri Jan 7 22:45:54 UTC 2011

Eye yi yi!! I'm having serious reservations about having signed up with this 
group AND paying a membership due to NFB!!
Barb
'Just living is not enough,' said the butterfly, 'one must have sunshine, 
freedom and a little flower.' ~ Hans Christian Anderson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was: classes and 
times


> Scroll down for comments.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> As Joyce was going through setting up the Ravelry group, I
>> was informed that
>> the group went by the naming convention of "Krafters Korner
>> Division of the
>> NFB."  Frankly I don't care what the exact naming of the
>> group is here, it
>> is a division of the NFB and  I think we all pretty much
>> understand that In
>> the scope of the discussion it is an minor point.
>
> Actually, it is only minor in general discussion which is why the naming 
> is
> unclear and I want the constitution placed on the website. Since legal
> issues are being presented in this discussion, our legal name as listed in
> our constitution is:
>
> National Federation of the Blind Krafters Division Article 1.  name: The
> name of this organization shall be National Federation of the Blind 
> Krafters
> Division
>
> There are several places that this distinction needs to be amended but we
> haven't had the time yet. The Ravelry group will need to be added to that
> list. Again, this comes down to legal wording should the need ever arise 
> and
> that is why there is confusion on this topic.
>
>>
>> Next, this is the one and only NFB division I pay dues to.
>> There is one
>> other list serve that I am subscribed to but do not pay dues
>> to.  Also an
>> unimportant issue in this discussion.  What other divisions
>> do or don't do
>> how they report or report on limited basis doesn't concern me
>> all that much
>> either, but because the question of ownership & selling my
>> materials was
>> discussed during a board meeting that absolutely concerns me greatly.
>
> Well, your prior statements indicated that other divisions do these things
> so we should be doing them and open board meetings should not have to be
> asked for you stated.
>
>> Third, I am trying to prevent the board members of the NFB KK
>> division from
>> walking away  with the rights to the materials that I
>> prepared for students
>> that participated in and attended classes I developed and
>> taught and which I
>> taught on behalf of this NFB division. Because I am not a
>> snake, I will not
>> rat out on anyone who might have relayed different
>> discussions that occured
>> during the meeting,
>
> That meeting was recorded so exact statements CAN be verified. Again, it 
> was
> a discussion. Apparently you think there was an official ruling made. I 
> must
> have slept through that motion, so I'll have to ask Joyce about getting a
> copy of the recording so that I can listen to it again.
>
>>but can you disprove what the board of
>> this group has
>> been planning on doing?
>
> "Discussing" what we would like to do.
>
>>More game playing and dishonest
>> wording going on
>> here.  Can you disprove that this topic was not discussed at
>> Wednesday
>> night's meeting?
>
> Once again, you need to re-read my earlier comments about us discussing
> versus a decision being finalized.
>
>>In fact wasn't the question of who owns the
>> recordings
>> asked of you?
>>
> Again (I am really getting tired of using that word), we "discussed"
> ownership, we are NOT lawyers, we KNOW we need permission. Please provide
> hard evidence that your material has been sold or used without your
> permission. As far as I know this is NOT fact. We have NEVER sold any
> instructors material including yours.
>
> Would we like to find ways to create funding for this division so that we
> can pay our instructors? Yes. Have we discussed the fact that we need to
> investigate the ownership of materials? Yes. Have we discussed if there is 
> a
> legal way for us to use the class recordings? Yes. Do we know the answers 
> to
> these questions yet? NO.
>
> I just do not know how to make clear that we have not made any official
> decisions. Apparently, I need to remove myself from the board because I 
> had
> to be sleeping through the meeting to miss all of these finalized plans.
>
> Cindy S.
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:04 PM
>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Treasurer's reports was:
>> classes and
>> times
>>
>> > Scroll down for responses.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> Three ()3) years is a long time and most all of the people on the
>> >> Board of the Krafters Korner division have been long-time
>> members of
>> >> other NFB divisions and are aware of how meeting & reports are
>> >> handled and the frequency with which they are & should be
>> prepared.
>> >> Let's get real on this
>> >> one.
>> >
>> > First, let me correct you. This is not the Krafters Korner
>> Division.
>> > It is the NFB Krafters Division and this is the Krafters Korner
>> > listserv.
>> >
>> > Have you ever asked us for reports? Have you ever been denied a
>> > report?
>> >
>> > Just because reports are not posted to this email list does
>> not mean
>> > that they are not being done. Do you seriously think the National
>> > Office is not being given reports? Come on, Eileen. As you have
>> > pointed out, you are a member of other divisions and know
>> this to be a
>> > fact.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I'm one of the people who's materials are trying to be scammed and
>> >> profited from by the NFB without my permission.
>> >
>> > Show me evidence that we have profited from your materials without
>> > your permission? I have yet to see any money added to the treasury
>> > that confirms this false statement.
>> >
>> >>Do you or other board
>> >> members deny
>> >> having discussed your legal strong hold on my class
>> recordings or the
>> >>recordings of other instructors?
>> >
>> > Apparently, you need a definition of the word "discussion" and then
>> > maybe for good measure "decision." The board "discusses" a lot of
>> > things. There are a lot of things that end on the
>> "discussion" table
>> > because they are not feasible or certain things must be
>> done first or
>> > they might come about years
>> > down the road after details have all been worked out. Might
>> I also point
>> > out
>> > that this is three years down the road and STILL in discussion.
>> >
>> >>Further, do you deny having
>> >> discussed that
>> >> the NFB owns those recordings and will sell them as fund
>> raisers for
>> >>the  NFB?
>> >>
>> > Again, please learn what a discussion is. I can guarantee you that
>> > legal rights came up in this "discussion" and I can also
>> guarantee you
>> > that we are not lawyers and know that we are not lawyers
>> and that we
>> > have to have permissions.
>> >
>> >> I know a little more about what was discussed in that meeting than
>> >> you think, even though I did not have the opportunity to call in
>> >> and speak up
>> >> for myself.
>> >
>> > Well, apparently, you don't know as much as you think you
>> know because
>> > then
>> > you would know that we discussed what is and is not legal
>> and know that we
>> > are not lawyers and have to really look into certain things
>> before they
>> > can
>> > move beyond the "discussion" phase and into actually
>> happening. Since you
>> > "know a little more about what was 'discussed'", then
>> please enlightening
>> > me
>> > on what motion was made that guarantees we are going to "scam" your
>> > material. I think it is pretty obvious that whatever
>> happens, no one would
>> > touch your material with any length of pole.
>> >
>> > It is really sad that this has gone this far simply because
>> there was
>> > no patience to wait for an answer to your first comment about not
>> > wanting your recordings used. This is obviously a very
>> strong subject
>> > with you and I am totally baffled as to why you ever let
>> your classes
>> > be recorded in the first
>> > place. Did you speak up when we started the recordings of
>> classes and say
>> > you didn't want that for your classes? I am not aware if such a
>> > "discussion"
>> > with you took place so I am asking.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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