[Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone

Eileen Scrivani etscrivani at verizon.net
Fri Jan 14 21:40:02 UTC 2011 

Greg,

If I understand your meaning correctly, I think you are stating that to make 
sure there is not additional disputes, it is automatic that teachers own 
their own materials.  That should be the default agreement between NFB KKD & 
instructors.  If this is what you were saying I think it makes sense, but 
still there should be a boiler plate statement to make this absolutely 
clear.  This to would allow a teacher to gift, if they choose, at any later 
time.

Eileen
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From: "NCBootman" <ncbootman at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:42 PM
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone

> Folks, Be careful. If teachers are checking or not checking if they retain 
> ownership, then this can come up again. End it and get off the fence. If 
> only the teacher owns it, then that is the only option and no other option 
> should be offered!
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Eileen Scrivani
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:27 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
>
> One other Point brought up last night I forgot but want to mention to 
> cover
> all important points.  I believe it was decided/agreed that Joyce will
> contact an attorney of the NFB either Scott LaFar or one through Donna 
> Hills
> Performing artists division or the Writers division on the legal stuff so 
> it
> is all handled & taken care of correctly
>
> Eileen
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:05 PM
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
>
>> I agree that positive comments were addressed and we have decided on how 
>> to move along and better the divisions activities by respecting copy 
>> right laws & ownership of copyrighted materials.
>>
>> Yes, Joyce said that the instructor's own their own materials and that 
>> the KKD will  not sell recorded materials.
>>
>> With the wonderful input that Donna Hill brought to the meeting with her 
>> vast knowledge on copy right law and what constitutes copy righted 
>> materials I believe we now all have a better and clearer understanding of 
>> it, how it works and that it needs to be respected by everyone; the KKD, 
>> the instructors  For
>> & the students.  For those who do not know, Donna Hill is currently 
>> teaching a knitting class for the KKD, she is the Head of Media Relations 
>> for the NFB's Performing Artists Division, she has 2 cd's on cd Baby, & 
>> she is the author of 2 books.  I think her presence helped to bring calm 
>> and focus to last night's meeting.
>>
>> I believe that it was agreed that the KKD will work on making adaptations 
>> to the KKD's web site so that agreements on copy can be clearly stated 
>> and put into a written type of format for students, instructors & the 
>> KKD. This would be accomplished at time a student signs up for a class, 
>> just as when an NLS book is downloaded, you agree that the class 
>> recordings and any handouts are for your own personal use and not to be 
>> sold or given out (a matter of either clicking a button or checking a box 
>> indicating your agreement or disagreement).
>>
>> Second, that when instructors submit a proposal there will be a box or 
>> some kind of selection to choose if they donate/give rights to the 
>> recordings/materials to the NFB KKD or they do not give away but choose 
>> to keep their rights for themselves.  I hope to that in the email 
>> acknowledging and accepting a class proposal that gets sent to 
>> instructors, it will be set in place that a statement may be put into 
>> that message acknowledging the agreement between instructor & NFB KKD. 
>> This will cover all basis and protect everyone.  And it can serve as one 
>> last safe guard to disagreement if something has been incorrectly clicked 
>> it can be cleared up prior to a class.
>> In essence, we agreed that the current very casual way of doing these 
>> things cannot continue and that for the protection of all concerned we do 
>> it more formally.
>>
>> Also, if patterns from the internet be used for a class it is proper to 
>> post the link so people can go and get that pattern themselves, credit 
>> must always be given to the copyright holder along with the link (if 
>> available) and, an it is important to email the copyright holder asking 
>> their permission to use the pattern, letting them know you would like to 
>> use the pattern for a knit along for this division.  I have found in most 
>> cases people are very reasonable and will give the thumbs up, but if they 
>> give a negative response, their copy right must be respected.  As 
>> explained to me accessibility & copy right are two separate things, 
>> making something accessible does not mean you are complying with copy 
>> right law. The NLS once told me that just because someone is blind that 
>> does not give them the legal right to take copyrighted materials and 
>> distribute it or sell it. Making copyrighted materials accessible does 
>> not over ride copyright laws as I understand it.
>>
>> The KKD will only save for a short period of time the class recordings 
>> that will give students & instructors sufficient time to go and download 
>> recordings they may want.  After that passage of time, the recordings 
>> will not be kept & stored by NFB KKd, it is up to instructors to be 
>> responsible and download to their own computers the recordings they want.
>>
>> Any class handouts written by instructors only need the slightest 
>> copyright mark to be considered the intellectual property of the author 
>> of those written materials.  These written handouts are also only for the 
>> use of those students in the class and intended for personal use only.
>>
>> Finally the last topic that I was able to hear being covered was the 
>> issue of teaching techniques.  A technique like making a Knit stitch or 
>> plastic canvas "X" stitch is a technique.  While a "technique" is not 
>> copyrightable, the words and language used to describe those techniques 
>> verbal or written is copy rightable.  Yes anyone can teach a technique, 
>> but you need to develop your own language and descriptions to convey that 
>> material to others to make it your own original idea.  Pulling out a 
>> knitting book and reading the words from that book to teach the knit 
>> stitch is not your own original work, you would then be using someone 
>> elses copy righted materials.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:05 AM
>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
>>
>>> We had a long informative meeting with a good number of teachers 
>>> tonight.
>>>
>>> I feel that after hearing everyone's thoughts and opinions that we have
>>> come to a fair and satisfactory  agreement.
>>>
>>> As our policy has been in the past:
>>>
>>> Recordings of classes will be available to the teacher and the students
>>> that are present in the class.  NFB Krafters Division nor the teachers 
>>> will
>>> or can sell the recordings.  The recordings will be posted to send space 
>>> for
>>> download for a limited time only.  The NFB Krafters Division does not 
>>> have
>>> control of how long the link on send space will be up there.  So it is
>>> suggested that you go to send space when you receive the email link and
>>> download  your class.  NFB Krafters Division will not be responsible for 
>>> archiving
>>> or  keeping these recordings.
>>>
>>> I hope the teachers talk about the meeting.  I would like for Krafters
>>> Korner to hopefully return back to sharing their love and joy of 
>>> crafting.
>>> Joyce Kane,  President
>>> NFB Krafters  Division
>>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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