[Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone

slerythema slerythema at gmail.com
Fri Jan 14 22:08:29 UTC 2011 

Greg and Eileen,

Eileen, I am pretty sure you already understand this point (see next
paragraph).

Greg, there "will" be a statement(s) on the website. The part about lawyers
involved is to approve the language used in the statement. There is no
discussion about whether we will use a statement or not. At this point, it
is simply a matter of having things stated in a binding legal format to use.

I hope this has cleared it up for you and others.

Cindy S.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Eileen Scrivani
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:40 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
> 
> 
> Greg,
> 
> If I understand your meaning correctly, I think you are 
> stating that to make 
> sure there is not additional disputes, it is automatic that 
> teachers own 
> their own materials.  That should be the default agreement 
> between NFB KKD & 
> instructors.  If this is what you were saying I think it 
> makes sense, but 
> still there should be a boiler plate statement to make this 
> absolutely 
> clear.  This to would allow a teacher to gift, if they 
> choose, at any later 
> time.
> 
> Eileen
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "NCBootman" <ncbootman at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:42 PM
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
> 
> > Folks, Be careful. If teachers are checking or not checking if they 
> > retain
> > ownership, then this can come up again. End it and get off 
> the fence. If 
> > only the teacher owns it, then that is the only option and 
> no other option 
> > should be offered!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eileen Scrivani
> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:27 PM
> > To: List for blind crafters and artists
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
> >
> > One other Point brought up last night I forgot but want to 
> mention to
> > cover
> > all important points.  I believe it was decided/agreed that 
> Joyce will
> > contact an attorney of the NFB either Scott LaFar or one 
> through Donna 
> > Hills
> > Performing artists division or the Writers division on the 
> legal stuff so 
> > it
> > is all handled & taken care of correctly
> >
> > Eileen
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:05 PM
> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
> > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
> >
> >> I agree that positive comments were addressed and we have 
> decided on 
> >> how
> >> to move along and better the divisions activities by 
> respecting copy 
> >> right laws & ownership of copyrighted materials.
> >>
> >> Yes, Joyce said that the instructor's own their own materials and 
> >> that
> >> the KKD will  not sell recorded materials.
> >>
> >> With the wonderful input that Donna Hill brought to the 
> meeting with 
> >> her
> >> vast knowledge on copy right law and what constitutes copy righted 
> >> materials I believe we now all have a better and clearer 
> understanding of 
> >> it, how it works and that it needs to be respected by 
> everyone; the KKD, 
> >> the instructors  For
> >> & the students.  For those who do not know, Donna Hill is 
> currently 
> >> teaching a knitting class for the KKD, she is the Head of 
> Media Relations 
> >> for the NFB's Performing Artists Division, she has 2 cd's 
> on cd Baby, & 
> >> she is the author of 2 books.  I think her presence helped 
> to bring calm 
> >> and focus to last night's meeting.
> >>
> >> I believe that it was agreed that the KKD will work on making 
> >> adaptations
> >> to the KKD's web site so that agreements on copy can be 
> clearly stated 
> >> and put into a written type of format for students, 
> instructors & the 
> >> KKD. This would be accomplished at time a student signs up 
> for a class, 
> >> just as when an NLS book is downloaded, you agree that the class 
> >> recordings and any handouts are for your own personal use 
> and not to be 
> >> sold or given out (a matter of either clicking a button or 
> checking a box 
> >> indicating your agreement or disagreement).
> >>
> >> Second, that when instructors submit a proposal there will 
> be a box 
> >> or
> >> some kind of selection to choose if they donate/give rights to the 
> >> recordings/materials to the NFB KKD or they do not give 
> away but choose 
> >> to keep their rights for themselves.  I hope to that in the email 
> >> acknowledging and accepting a class proposal that gets sent to 
> >> instructors, it will be set in place that a statement may 
> be put into 
> >> that message acknowledging the agreement between 
> instructor & NFB KKD. 
> >> This will cover all basis and protect everyone.  And it 
> can serve as one 
> >> last safe guard to disagreement if something has been 
> incorrectly clicked 
> >> it can be cleared up prior to a class.
> >> In essence, we agreed that the current very casual way of 
> doing these 
> >> things cannot continue and that for the protection of all 
> concerned we do 
> >> it more formally.
> >>
> >> Also, if patterns from the internet be used for a class it 
> is proper 
> >> to
> >> post the link so people can go and get that pattern 
> themselves, credit 
> >> must always be given to the copyright holder along with 
> the link (if 
> >> available) and, an it is important to email the copyright 
> holder asking 
> >> their permission to use the pattern, letting them know you 
> would like to 
> >> use the pattern for a knit along for this division.  I 
> have found in most 
> >> cases people are very reasonable and will give the thumbs 
> up, but if they 
> >> give a negative response, their copy right must be respected.  As 
> >> explained to me accessibility & copy right are two 
> separate things, 
> >> making something accessible does not mean you are 
> complying with copy 
> >> right law. The NLS once told me that just because someone 
> is blind that 
> >> does not give them the legal right to take copyrighted 
> materials and 
> >> distribute it or sell it. Making copyrighted materials 
> accessible does 
> >> not over ride copyright laws as I understand it.
> >>
> >> The KKD will only save for a short period of time the class 
> >> recordings
> >> that will give students & instructors sufficient time to 
> go and download 
> >> recordings they may want.  After that passage of time, the 
> recordings 
> >> will not be kept & stored by NFB KKd, it is up to 
> instructors to be 
> >> responsible and download to their own computers the 
> recordings they want.
> >>
> >> Any class handouts written by instructors only need the slightest
> >> copyright mark to be considered the intellectual property 
> of the author 
> >> of those written materials.  These written handouts are 
> also only for the 
> >> use of those students in the class and intended for 
> personal use only.
> >>
> >> Finally the last topic that I was able to hear being 
> covered was the
> >> issue of teaching techniques.  A technique like making a 
> Knit stitch or 
> >> plastic canvas "X" stitch is a technique.  While a 
> "technique" is not 
> >> copyrightable, the words and language used to describe 
> those techniques 
> >> verbal or written is copy rightable.  Yes anyone can teach 
> a technique, 
> >> but you need to develop your own language and descriptions 
> to convey that 
> >> material to others to make it your own original idea.  
> Pulling out a 
> >> knitting book and reading the words from that book to 
> teach the knit 
> >> stitch is not your own original work, you would then be 
> using someone 
> >> elses copy righted materials.
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:05 AM
> >> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
> >>
> >>> We had a long informative meeting with a good number of teachers
> >>> tonight.
> >>>
> >>> I feel that after hearing everyone's thoughts and 
> opinions that we 
> >>> have come to a fair and satisfactory  agreement.
> >>>
> >>> As our policy has been in the past:
> >>>
> >>> Recordings of classes will be available to the teacher and the 
> >>> students that are present in the class.  NFB Krafters 
> Division nor 
> >>> the teachers will or can sell the recordings.  The 
> recordings will 
> >>> be posted to send space for
> >>> download for a limited time only.  The NFB Krafters 
> Division does not 
> >>> have
> >>> control of how long the link on send space will be up 
> there.  So it is
> >>> suggested that you go to send space when you receive the 
> email link and
> >>> download  your class.  NFB Krafters Division will not be 
> responsible for 
> >>> archiving
> >>> or  keeping these recordings.
> >>>
> >>> I hope the teachers talk about the meeting.  I would like for 
> >>> Krafters Korner to hopefully return back to sharing their 
> love and 
> >>> joy of crafting. Joyce Kane,  President
> >>> NFB Krafters  Division
> >>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> >>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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