[Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone

NCBootman ncbootman at gmail.com
Fri Jan 14 22:39:00 UTC 2011 

Joyce,

As I understood the e-mail sent by Eileen, it was mentioned having a check 
box so teachers could retain or gift ownership to NFB. That leaves the 
position ambiguous and subject to continued controversy down the road. If 
the policy is that NFB owns nothing. Say that and leave it alone! If you 
have the policy but some have given permission and some have not, or maybe a 
technical glitch caused something, you open up potential problems including 
possible lawsuits. Say ownership stays with the teacher and nothing else and 
you are less likely to have problems in the future. Assume that applies to 
everyone without exception.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Blindhands at aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:10 PM
To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone

Greg,

I don't understand what you mean by:

"Folks, Be careful. If teachers are checking or not checking if they retain

ownership, then this can come up again. "

This is taken from Eileen's email.  It  was suggested that there  be a
statement made on the class proposals and class sign up forms.  Until  we 
seek
advise and write up such things and then have it legally reviewed ,  there 
is
not anything to do.


Joyce  Kane
_www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
Blindhands at AOL.com


In a message dated 1/14/2011 11:44:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ncbootman at gmail.com writes:

Folks,  Be careful. If teachers are checking or not checking if they retain

ownership, then this can come up again. End it and get off the fence. If
only the teacher owns it, then that is the only option and no other option
should be offered!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Eileen  Scrivani
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:27 PM
To: List for blind  crafters and artists
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to  everyone

One other Point brought up last night I forgot but want to  mention to cover
all important points.  I believe it was  decided/agreed that Joyce will
contact an attorney of the NFB either Scott  LaFar or one through Donna
Hills
Performing artists division or the Writers  division on the legal stuff so
it
is all handled & taken care of  correctly

Eileen

--------------------------------------------------
From:  "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, January 14,  2011 2:05 PM
To: "List for blind crafters and artists"  <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner]  to everyone

> I agree that positive comments were addressed and we  have decided on how
> to move along and better the divisions activities  by respecting copy
right
> laws & ownership of copyrighted  materials.
>
> Yes, Joyce said that the instructor's own their own  materials and that
the
> KKD will  not sell recorded  materials.
>
> With the wonderful input that Donna Hill brought to  the meeting with her
> vast knowledge on copy right law and what  constitutes copy righted
> materials I believe we now all have a better  and clearer understanding
of
> it, how it works and that it needs to be  respected by everyone; the KKD,
> the instructors  For
>  & the students.  For those who do not know, Donna Hill is currently
> teaching a knitting class for the KKD, she is the Head of Media
Relations
> for the NFB's Performing Artists Division, she has 2 cd's  on cd Baby, &
> she is the author of 2 books.  I think her  presence helped to bring calm
> and focus to last night's  meeting.
>
> I believe that it was agreed that the KKD will work  on making
adaptations
> to the KKD's web site so that agreements on  copy can be clearly stated
and
> put into a written type of format for  students, instructors & the KKD.
> This would be accomplished at  time a student signs up for a class, just
as
> when an NLS book is  downloaded, you agree that the class recordings and
> any handouts are  for your own personal use and not to be sold or given
out
> (a matter  of either clicking a button or checking a box indicating your
>  agreement or disagreement).
>
> Second, that when instructors  submit a proposal there will be a box or
> some kind of selection to  choose if they donate/give rights to the
> recordings/materials to the  NFB KKD or they do not give away but choose
to
> keep their rights for  themselves.  I hope to that in the email
> acknowledging and  accepting a class proposal that gets sent to
> instructors, it will be  set in place that a statement may be put into
that
> message  acknowledging the agreement between instructor & NFB KKD.  This
> will cover all basis and protect everyone.  And it can serve as  one last
> safe guard to disagreement if something has been incorrectly  clicked it
> can be cleared up prior to a class.
> In essence, we  agreed that the current very casual way of doing these
> things cannot  continue and that for the protection of all concerned we
do
> it more  formally.
>
> Also, if patterns from the internet be used for a  class it is proper to
> post the link so people can go and get that  pattern themselves, credit
> must always be given to the copyright  holder along with the link (if
> available) and, an it is important to  email the copyright holder asking
> their permission to use the  pattern, letting them know you would like to
> use the pattern for a  knit along for this division.  I have found in
most
> cases people  are very reasonable and will give the thumbs up, but if
they
> give a  negative response, their copy right must be respected.  As
>  explained to me accessibility & copy right are two separate things,
making
> something accessible does not mean you are complying with copy right
law.
> The NLS once told me that just because someone is blind that  does not
give
> them the legal right to take copyrighted materials and  distribute it or
> sell it. Making copyrighted materials accessible  does not over ride
> copyright laws as I understand it.
>
>  The KKD will only save for a short period of time the class recordings
> that will give students & instructors sufficient time to go and  download
> recordings they may want.  After that passage of time,  the recordings
will
> not be kept & stored by NFB KKd, it is up to  instructors to be
responsible
> and download to their own computers the  recordings they want.
>
> Any class handouts written by  instructors only need the slightest
> copyright mark to be considered  the intellectual property of the author
of
> those written  materials.  These written handouts are also only for the
use
> of  those students in the class and intended for personal use  only.
>
> Finally the last topic that I was able to hear being  covered was the
issue
> of teaching techniques.  A technique like  making a Knit stitch or
plastic
> canvas "X" stitch is a  technique.  While a "technique" is not
> copyrightable, the words  and language used to describe those techniques
> verbal or written is  copy rightable.  Yes anyone can teach a technique,
> but you need  to develop your own language and descriptions to convey
that
> material  to others to make it your own original idea.  Pulling out a
>  knitting book and reading the words from that book to teach the knit
>  stitch is not your own original work, you would then be using someone
>  elses copy righted materials.
>
>  --------------------------------------------------
> From:  <Blindhands at aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:05  AM
> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject:  [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
>
>> We had a long  informative meeting with a good number of teachers
tonight.
>>
>> I feel that after hearing everyone's thoughts  and opinions that we have
>> come to a fair and satisfactory   agreement.
>>
>> As our policy has been in the  past:
>>
>> Recordings of classes will be available to the  teacher and the students
>> that are present in the class.  NFB  Krafters Division nor the teachers
>> will
>> or can sell  the recordings.  The recordings will be posted to send
space
>>  for
>> download for a limited time only.  The NFB Krafters  Division does not
>> have
>> control of how long the link  on send space will be up there.  So it is
>> suggested that you  go to send space when you receive the email link and
>>  download  your class.  NFB Krafters Division will not be responsible
for
>> archiving
>> or  keeping these  recordings.
>>
>> I hope the teachers talk about the  meeting.  I would like for Krafters
>> Korner to hopefully  return back to sharing their love and joy of
>>  crafting.
>> Joyce Kane,  President
>> NFB  Krafters  Division
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_  (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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