[Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
Blindhands at aol.com
Blindhands at aol.com
Fri Jan 14 23:46:23 UTC 2011
This was Eileen's words. Donna Hill read a release that the Artists or
acting I do not know off the top of my head,Division she is in has for people
for their music. There was nothing said more about Gifted. As I said our
policy is that:
Recordings will be given to the students attending the class and the
teacher only. The NFB Krafters Division will not sell nor the teachers sell any
of these recordings.
This is to protect the teachers, students and NFB Krafters Division.
Joyce Kane
_www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
Blindhands at AOL.com
In a message dated 1/14/2011 2:40:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ncbootman at gmail.com writes:
Joyce,
As I understood the e-mail sent by Eileen, it was mentioned having a check
box so teachers could retain or gift ownership to NFB. That leaves the
position ambiguous and subject to continued controversy down the road. If
the policy is that NFB owns nothing. Say that and leave it alone! If you
have the policy but some have given permission and some have not, or maybe
a
technical glitch caused something, you open up potential problems
including
possible lawsuits. Say ownership stays with the teacher and nothing else
and
you are less likely to have problems in the future. Assume that applies to
everyone without exception.
-----Original Message-----
From: Blindhands at aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:10 PM
To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
Greg,
I don't understand what you mean by:
"Folks, Be careful. If teachers are checking or not checking if they retain
ownership, then this can come up again. "
This is taken from Eileen's email. It was suggested that there be a
statement made on the class proposals and class sign up forms. Until we
seek
advise and write up such things and then have it legally reviewed , there
is
not anything to do.
Joyce Kane
_www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
Blindhands at AOL.com
In a message dated 1/14/2011 11:44:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ncbootman at gmail.com writes:
Folks, Be careful. If teachers are checking or not checking if they retain
ownership, then this can come up again. End it and get off the fence. If
only the teacher owns it, then that is the only option and no other option
should be offered!
-----Original Message-----
From: Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:27 PM
To: List for blind crafters and artists
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
One other Point brought up last night I forgot but want to mention to
cover
all important points. I believe it was decided/agreed that Joyce will
contact an attorney of the NFB either Scott LaFar or one through Donna
Hills
Performing artists division or the Writers division on the legal stuff so
it
is all handled & taken care of correctly
Eileen
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From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:05 PM
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
> I agree that positive comments were addressed and we have decided on how
> to move along and better the divisions activities by respecting copy
right
> laws & ownership of copyrighted materials.
>
> Yes, Joyce said that the instructor's own their own materials and that
the
> KKD will not sell recorded materials.
>
> With the wonderful input that Donna Hill brought to the meeting with her
> vast knowledge on copy right law and what constitutes copy righted
> materials I believe we now all have a better and clearer understanding
of
> it, how it works and that it needs to be respected by everyone; the KKD,
> the instructors For
> & the students. For those who do not know, Donna Hill is currently
> teaching a knitting class for the KKD, she is the Head of Media
Relations
> for the NFB's Performing Artists Division, she has 2 cd's on cd Baby, &
> she is the author of 2 books. I think her presence helped to bring
calm
> and focus to last night's meeting.
>
> I believe that it was agreed that the KKD will work on making
adaptations
> to the KKD's web site so that agreements on copy can be clearly stated
and
> put into a written type of format for students, instructors & the KKD.
> This would be accomplished at time a student signs up for a class, just
as
> when an NLS book is downloaded, you agree that the class recordings and
> any handouts are for your own personal use and not to be sold or given
out
> (a matter of either clicking a button or checking a box indicating your
> agreement or disagreement).
>
> Second, that when instructors submit a proposal there will be a box or
> some kind of selection to choose if they donate/give rights to the
> recordings/materials to the NFB KKD or they do not give away but choose
to
> keep their rights for themselves. I hope to that in the email
> acknowledging and accepting a class proposal that gets sent to
> instructors, it will be set in place that a statement may be put into
that
> message acknowledging the agreement between instructor & NFB KKD. This
> will cover all basis and protect everyone. And it can serve as one last
> safe guard to disagreement if something has been incorrectly clicked it
> can be cleared up prior to a class.
> In essence, we agreed that the current very casual way of doing these
> things cannot continue and that for the protection of all concerned we
do
> it more formally.
>
> Also, if patterns from the internet be used for a class it is proper to
> post the link so people can go and get that pattern themselves, credit
> must always be given to the copyright holder along with the link (if
> available) and, an it is important to email the copyright holder asking
> their permission to use the pattern, letting them know you would like to
> use the pattern for a knit along for this division. I have found in
most
> cases people are very reasonable and will give the thumbs up, but if
they
> give a negative response, their copy right must be respected. As
> explained to me accessibility & copy right are two separate things,
making
> something accessible does not mean you are complying with copy right
law.
> The NLS once told me that just because someone is blind that does not
give
> them the legal right to take copyrighted materials and distribute it or
> sell it. Making copyrighted materials accessible does not over ride
> copyright laws as I understand it.
>
> The KKD will only save for a short period of time the class recordings
> that will give students & instructors sufficient time to go and
download
> recordings they may want. After that passage of time, the recordings
will
> not be kept & stored by NFB KKd, it is up to instructors to be
responsible
> and download to their own computers the recordings they want.
>
> Any class handouts written by instructors only need the slightest
> copyright mark to be considered the intellectual property of the author
of
> those written materials. These written handouts are also only for the
use
> of those students in the class and intended for personal use only.
>
> Finally the last topic that I was able to hear being covered was the
issue
> of teaching techniques. A technique like making a Knit stitch or
plastic
> canvas "X" stitch is a technique. While a "technique" is not
> copyrightable, the words and language used to describe those techniques
> verbal or written is copy rightable. Yes anyone can teach a technique,
> but you need to develop your own language and descriptions to convey
that
> material to others to make it your own original idea. Pulling out a
> knitting book and reading the words from that book to teach the knit
> stitch is not your own original work, you would then be using someone
> elses copy righted materials.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:05 AM
> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
>
>> We had a long informative meeting with a good number of teachers
tonight.
>>
>> I feel that after hearing everyone's thoughts and opinions that we have
>> come to a fair and satisfactory agreement.
>>
>> As our policy has been in the past:
>>
>> Recordings of classes will be available to the teacher and the students
>> that are present in the class. NFB Krafters Division nor the teachers
>> will
>> or can sell the recordings. The recordings will be posted to send
space
>> for
>> download for a limited time only. The NFB Krafters Division does not
>> have
>> control of how long the link on send space will be up there. So it is
>> suggested that you go to send space when you receive the email link
and
>> download your class. NFB Krafters Division will not be responsible
for
>> archiving
>> or keeping these recordings.
>>
>> I hope the teachers talk about the meeting. I would like for Krafters
>> Korner to hopefully return back to sharing their love and joy of
>> crafting.
>> Joyce Kane, President
>> NFB Krafters Division
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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