[Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone

Blindhands at aol.com Blindhands at aol.com
Fri Jan 14 23:46:23 UTC 2011 

This was Eileen's words.  Donna Hill read a release that the Artists  or 
acting I do not know off the top of my head,Division she is in has for people  
for their music.  There was nothing said more about Gifted.  As I said  our 
policy is that:
 
Recordings will be given to the students attending the class and the  
teacher only.  The NFB Krafters Division will not sell nor the teachers  sell any 
of these recordings.  
 
This is to protect the teachers, students and NFB Krafters  Division. 
 
Joyce  Kane
_www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
Blindhands at AOL.com   

 
In a message dated 1/14/2011 2:40:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ncbootman at gmail.com writes:

Joyce,

As I understood the e-mail sent by Eileen, it was  mentioned having a check 
box so teachers could retain or gift ownership to  NFB. That leaves the 
position ambiguous and subject to continued  controversy down the road. If 
the policy is that NFB owns nothing. Say  that and leave it alone! If you 
have the policy but some have given  permission and some have not, or maybe 
a 
technical glitch caused  something, you open up potential problems 
including 
possible lawsuits. Say  ownership stays with the teacher and nothing else 
and 
you are less likely  to have problems in the future. Assume that applies to 
everyone without  exception.

-----Original Message----- 
From:  Blindhands at aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:10 PM
To:  nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] to  everyone

Greg,

I don't understand what you mean  by:

"Folks, Be careful. If teachers are checking or not checking if  they retain

ownership, then this can come up again. "

This is  taken from Eileen's email.  It  was suggested that there  be  a
statement made on the class proposals and class sign up forms.   Until  we 
seek
advise and write up such things and then have it  legally reviewed ,  there 
is
not anything to  do.


Joyce  Kane
_www.KraftersKorner.org_  (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
Blindhands at AOL.com


In a message  dated 1/14/2011 11:44:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ncbootman at gmail.com  writes:

Folks,  Be careful. If teachers are checking or not  checking if they retain

ownership, then this can come up again. End it  and get off the fence. If
only the teacher owns it, then that is the only  option and no other option
should be offered!

-----Original  Message----- 
From: Eileen  Scrivani
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011  2:27 PM
To: List for blind  crafters and artists
Subject: Re:  [Nfb-krafters-korner] to  everyone

One other Point brought up last  night I forgot but want to  mention to 
cover
all important  points.  I believe it was  decided/agreed that Joyce will
contact  an attorney of the NFB either Scott  LaFar or one through  Donna
Hills
Performing artists division or the Writers  division on  the legal stuff so
it
is all handled & taken care of   correctly

Eileen

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From:   "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, January  14,  2011 2:05 PM
To: "List for blind crafters and artists"   <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re:  [Nfb-krafters-korner]  to everyone

> I agree that positive  comments were addressed and we  have decided on how
> to move along  and better the divisions activities  by respecting copy
right
>  laws & ownership of copyrighted  materials.
>
> Yes,  Joyce said that the instructor's own their own  materials and  that
the
> KKD will  not sell recorded   materials.
>
> With the wonderful input that Donna Hill brought  to  the meeting with her
> vast knowledge on copy right law and  what  constitutes copy righted
> materials I believe we now all  have a better  and clearer understanding
of
> it, how it works  and that it needs to be  respected by everyone; the KKD,
> the  instructors  For
>  & the students.  For those who do  not know, Donna Hill is currently
> teaching a knitting class for the  KKD, she is the Head of Media
Relations
> for the NFB's Performing  Artists Division, she has 2 cd's  on cd Baby, &
> she is the  author of 2 books.  I think her  presence helped to bring  
calm
> and focus to last night's  meeting.
>
> I  believe that it was agreed that the KKD will work  on  making
adaptations
> to the KKD's web site so that agreements  on  copy can be clearly stated
and
> put into a written type of  format for  students, instructors & the KKD.
> This would be  accomplished at  time a student signs up for a class, just
as
>  when an NLS book is  downloaded, you agree that the class recordings  and
> any handouts are  for your own personal use and not to be  sold or given
out
> (a matter  of either clicking a button or  checking a box indicating your
>  agreement or  disagreement).
>
> Second, that when instructors  submit a  proposal there will be a box or
> some kind of selection to  choose  if they donate/give rights to the
> recordings/materials to the   NFB KKD or they do not give away but choose
to
> keep their rights  for  themselves.  I hope to that in the email
> acknowledging  and  accepting a class proposal that gets sent to
> instructors, it  will be  set in place that a statement may be put into
that
>  message  acknowledging the agreement between instructor & NFB  KKD.  This
> will cover all basis and protect everyone.  And  it can serve as  one last
> safe guard to disagreement if something  has been incorrectly  clicked it
> can be cleared up prior to a  class.
> In essence, we  agreed that the current very casual way of  doing these
> things cannot  continue and that for the protection  of all concerned we
do
> it more  formally.
>
>  Also, if patterns from the internet be used for a  class it is proper  to
> post the link so people can go and get that  pattern  themselves, credit
> must always be given to the copyright  holder  along with the link (if
> available) and, an it is important to   email the copyright holder asking
> their permission to use the   pattern, letting them know you would like to
> use the pattern for  a  knit along for this division.  I have found in
most
>  cases people  are very reasonable and will give the thumbs up, but  if
they
> give a  negative response, their copy right must be  respected.  As
>  explained to me accessibility & copy  right are two separate things,
making
> something accessible does not  mean you are complying with copy right
law.
> The NLS once told me  that just because someone is blind that  does not
give
> them  the legal right to take copyrighted materials and  distribute it  or
> sell it. Making copyrighted materials accessible  does not  over ride
> copyright laws as I understand it.
>
>  The  KKD will only save for a short period of time the class recordings
>  that will give students & instructors sufficient time to go and   
download
> recordings they may want.  After that passage of  time,  the recordings
will
> not be kept & stored by NFB  KKd, it is up to  instructors to be
responsible
> and download  to their own computers the  recordings they want.
>
> Any  class handouts written by  instructors only need the slightest
>  copyright mark to be considered  the intellectual property of the  author
of
> those written  materials.  These written  handouts are also only for the
use
> of  those students in the  class and intended for personal use  only.
>
> Finally the  last topic that I was able to hear being  covered was  the
issue
> of teaching techniques.  A technique like   making a Knit stitch or
plastic
> canvas "X" stitch is a   technique.  While a "technique" is not
> copyrightable, the  words  and language used to describe those techniques
> verbal or  written is  copy rightable.  Yes anyone can teach a  technique,
> but you need  to develop your own language and  descriptions to convey
that
> material  to others to make it  your own original idea.  Pulling out a
>  knitting book and  reading the words from that book to teach the knit
>  stitch is not  your own original work, you would then be using someone
>  elses  copy righted materials.
>
>   --------------------------------------------------
> From:   <Blindhands at aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:05   AM
> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject:   [Nfb-krafters-korner] to everyone
>
>> We had a long   informative meeting with a good number of  teachers
tonight.
>>
>> I feel that after hearing  everyone's thoughts  and opinions that we have
>> come to a fair  and satisfactory   agreement.
>>
>> As our policy  has been in the  past:
>>
>> Recordings of classes will  be available to the  teacher and the students
>> that are  present in the class.  NFB  Krafters Division nor the  teachers
>> will
>> or can sell  the recordings.   The recordings will be posted to send
space
>>   for
>> download for a limited time only.  The NFB Krafters   Division does not
>> have
>> control of how long the  link  on send space will be up there.  So it is
>>  suggested that you  go to send space when you receive the email link  
and
>>  download  your class.  NFB Krafters Division  will not be responsible
for
>> archiving
>> or   keeping these  recordings.
>>
>> I hope the teachers  talk about the  meeting.  I would like for Krafters
>>  Korner to hopefully  return back to sharing their love and joy  of
>>  crafting.
>> Joyce Kane,   President
>> NFB  Krafters  Division
>>  _www.KraftersKorner.org_  (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>  Blindhands at AOL.com
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