[Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting

Sun May 1 00:10:31 UTC 2011

Since this subject has come alive again....I would just like to say I don't 
understand how the NFB feels they can retain the rights to theses recordings 
if the instructors are not employed or contracted by the NFB. If the NFB 
wanted to draw up a cirrculum and instructional material, then yes they 
would have the rights to recordings, if the NFB purchased the rights to the 
patterns, then yes they would have the rights to the recordings.

To resolve the sistuation? Do away with the recordings as the classes are 
not a"formal" class, continue to require the minimal $10.00 membership fee 
for unlimited classes. I do understand that recorded instructions are 
beneficial, however, with all the general chattering and more than one 
person speaking at a time makes it difficult to follow along.
I feel this recording issue will cause a decrease in the number of classes 
and instructors and that would be a sad thing to see.

I for one am happy to pay the membership fee in order to learn blind 
crafting techniques. I also appreciate the fact that Krafters Korner (and 
thoses who worked so diligently to form it) is available for those of us who 
are losing or have lost our sitght and wish to continue or learn crafting 
technipues.
Barb R.
Z6

'Just living is not enough,' said the butterfly, 'one must have sunshine, 
freedom and a little flower.' ~ Hans Christian Anderson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henrietta Brewer" <gary.brewer at comcast.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting

> To me, NFB Krafters was a place to learn new crafts and make friends for 
> sure.  If the Karfters Korner wants to sell or use the mp3's of our 
> chatting and learning, it looks like they have that right.
>
> Teachers have the right to decide whether they want their classes 
> distributed to unknown people. They just should not do classes for the 
> Karfter's division.
>
> I think that when you talked to your lawyers you forgot an important 
> issue. Not only do the teachers have a stake in what is distributed but 
> the students will also have their comments sold or used for whatever the 
> division feels will help the group.  I for one, can't feel good about 
> interaction on a class if my words will go down in mp3 history.
>
> The classes and chats have always been like a knitting circle for me. I 
> could be at home where I am needed and join in with others that enjoy 
> crafting.  If I misunderstand and say something that sounds off the wall, 
> I don't want it replayed and replayed and maybe go places I am not in 
> favor of.
>
> So, I for one, can't feel good about speaking at classes from this time 
> forward.
>
> As a division, you might want to go back to the lawyers and ask what they 
> feel is necessary to alert students to the fact that what they say can be 
> sold or used as promotional information.
>
> As you think of this one fact, you might begin to realize that the lawyers 
> could only advise you on the info you gave them. That makes your decisions 
> incomplete.
>
> Did you think of the fact that giving the mp3's to students would allow 
> them to share with anyone they choose.  There is no stopping this as you 
> know. But when the mp3's become something with monitery value people can 
> have new ideas about how to manage them.
>
> Unless you are in a class the recordings become confusing and very boring. 
> So the  money you will collect will probably be minimal. I am not worried 
> about what you will make on them. You are right. The ten dollar fee is so 
> small for all we gained. And probably I should have been afraid to speak 
> all along. But you have made it very clear to me now.
>
> I guess every little sewing circle has the potential to become big 
> business. I am looking for a little sewing circle.
> Henrietta On Apr 30, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Blindhands at aol.com wrote:
>
>> I am sorry you feel this way.  This statement is what Attorney Brown  had
>> suggested and approved.   We were forced to do this to clarify the  NFB
>> Krafters
>> Division responsibility for the recordings.
>>
>> I  started this list, division and all that Krafters Korner has to offer
>> solely to  have a place where blind people can come and share and learn 
>> how to
>> continue
>> doing crafts.  It was a friendly place to email, call up and  talk to 
>> folks
>> about how they do crafting without sight.  It moved forward  and I was
>> thrilled
>> when Laurie offered to do beading classes and we  researched how to do
>> conference call classes.  It was all a bunch of  friends having a good 
>> time doing
>> this no matter where you lived.  I went  forward with starting this
>> division so we could reach out to more people that  are blind.  I have 
>> spread the
>> word
>> every way I could and put my love of  crafting first.  Other folks here
>> joined in with me to make this a unique  place for blind people.
>>
>> We have spread and grown and people  from different time zones have
>> expressed their wishes to be able to be part of  Krafters Korner and be 
>> included in
>> the
>> chances of participating in  classes.  I have listened and tried to 
>> figure
>> out ways to accommodate  all.
>>
>> All we ask is $10 per year for folks to enjoy all of the  benefits.    If
>> we were the money hungry souls that people have  blamed us for being, we
>> would be
>> charging people for every class they  take.  We would not be offering MP3
>> files for them to keep and listen  to.  Go out and take a class in the 
>> real
>> world
>> and you pay big bucks for  it.  You miss a class and it is too bad for 
>> you.
>> They don't provide  you with anything.  The teachers here give their time
>> up
>> to you for  free.  They give you extra time during the week or via email
>> whenever you  need it.  The list is open 24 hours a day to answer your
>> questions.
>>
>> It took a few people to start this uproar and  point the finger at NFB
>> Krafters Division.  The teachers wanted the right  to do what they want 
>> with
>> their
>> class recordings.  This statement  clarifies what the division's rights 
>> are
>> and if you look into the meaning behind  this statement I believe the
>> teachers
>> can get their answer too.  The  teachers can check this out with their
>> lawyers.
>>
>> Many of you  have forgotten what the Krafters Korner primary mission is 
>> all
>> about.  It  is a place to learn and share how blind people can craft and 
>> be
>> creative.
>> It is a place to make friends and share our love of  crafting.  It is a
>> place for blind people to get together and share  creative ideas with 
>> other
>> blind
>> people.  Some  individuals seem to have forgotten why this was started. 
>> It
>> had  nothing to do with the NFB Krafters Division making money.  It was 
>> to
>> encourage
>> the talent and creativity of the blind and this remains the same  today,
>> this has not changed, making a buck is not what we are here  for.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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