[Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting

Terry Knox tknox6 at sc.rr.com
Sun May 1 00:19:38 UTC 2011 

I agree with you Barb.

Terry K

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Barb Roland
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:11 PM
To: List for blind crafters and artists
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting

Since this subject has come alive again....I would just like to say I don't
understand how the NFB feels they can retain the rights to theses recordings
if the instructors are not employed or contracted by the NFB. If the NFB
wanted to draw up a cirrculum and instructional material, then yes they
would have the rights to recordings, if the NFB purchased the rights to the
patterns, then yes they would have the rights to the recordings.

To resolve the sistuation? Do away with the recordings as the classes are
not a"formal" class, continue to require the minimal $10.00 membership fee
for unlimited classes. I do understand that recorded instructions are
beneficial, however, with all the general chattering and more than one
person speaking at a time makes it difficult to follow along.
I feel this recording issue will cause a decrease in the number of classes
and instructors and that would be a sad thing to see.

I for one am happy to pay the membership fee in order to learn blind
crafting techniques. I also appreciate the fact that Krafters Korner (and
thoses who worked so diligently to form it) is available for those of us who
are losing or have lost our sitght and wish to continue or learn crafting
technipues.
Barb R.
Z6

'Just living is not enough,' said the butterfly, 'one must have sunshine,
freedom and a little flower.' ~ Hans Christian Anderson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henrietta Brewer" <gary.brewer at comcast.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting


> To me, NFB Krafters was a place to learn new crafts and make friends 
> for sure.  If the Karfters Korner wants to sell or use the mp3's of 
> our chatting and learning, it looks like they have that right.
>
> Teachers have the right to decide whether they want their classes 
> distributed to unknown people. They just should not do classes for the 
> Karfter's division.
>
> I think that when you talked to your lawyers you forgot an important 
> issue. Not only do the teachers have a stake in what is distributed 
> but the students will also have their comments sold or used for 
> whatever the division feels will help the group.  I for one, can't 
> feel good about interaction on a class if my words will go down in mp3
history.
>
> The classes and chats have always been like a knitting circle for me. 
> I could be at home where I am needed and join in with others that 
> enjoy crafting.  If I misunderstand and say something that sounds off 
> the wall, I don't want it replayed and replayed and maybe go places I 
> am not in favor of.
>
> So, I for one, can't feel good about speaking at classes from this 
> time forward.
>
> As a division, you might want to go back to the lawyers and ask what 
> they feel is necessary to alert students to the fact that what they 
> say can be sold or used as promotional information.
>
> As you think of this one fact, you might begin to realize that the 
> lawyers could only advise you on the info you gave them. That makes 
> your decisions incomplete.
>
> Did you think of the fact that giving the mp3's to students would 
> allow them to share with anyone they choose.  There is no stopping 
> this as you know. But when the mp3's become something with monitery 
> value people can have new ideas about how to manage them.
>
> Unless you are in a class the recordings become confusing and very boring.

> So the  money you will collect will probably be minimal. I am not 
> worried about what you will make on them. You are right. The ten 
> dollar fee is so small for all we gained. And probably I should have 
> been afraid to speak all along. But you have made it very clear to me now.
>
> I guess every little sewing circle has the potential to become big 
> business. I am looking for a little sewing circle.
> Henrietta On Apr 30, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Blindhands at aol.com wrote:
>
>> I am sorry you feel this way.  This statement is what Attorney Brown  had
>> suggested and approved.   We were forced to do this to clarify the  NFB
>> Krafters
>> Division responsibility for the recordings.
>>
>> I  started this list, division and all that Krafters Korner has to 
>> offer solely to  have a place where blind people can come and share 
>> and learn how to continue doing crafts.  It was a friendly place to 
>> email, call up and  talk to folks about how they do crafting without 
>> sight.  It moved forward  and I was thrilled when Laurie offered to 
>> do beading classes and we  researched how to do conference call 
>> classes.  It was all a bunch of  friends having a good time doing 
>> this no matter where you lived.  I went  forward with starting this 
>> division so we could reach out to more people that  are blind.  I 
>> have spread the word every way I could and put my love of  crafting 
>> first.  Other folks here joined in with me to make this a unique  
>> place for blind people.
>>
>> We have spread and grown and people  from different time zones have 
>> expressed their wishes to be able to be part of  Krafters Korner and 
>> be included in the chances of participating in  classes.  I have 
>> listened and tried to figure out ways to accommodate  all.
>>
>> All we ask is $10 per year for folks to enjoy all of the  benefits.    If
>> we were the money hungry souls that people have  blamed us for being, 
>> we would be charging people for every class they  take.  We would not 
>> be offering MP3 files for them to keep and listen  to.  Go out and 
>> take a class in the real world and you pay big bucks for  it.  You 
>> miss a class and it is too bad for you.
>> They don't provide  you with anything.  The teachers here give their 
>> time up to you for  free.  They give you extra time during the week 
>> or via email whenever you  need it.  The list is open 24 hours a day 
>> to answer your questions.
>>
>> It took a few people to start this uproar and  point the finger at 
>> NFB Krafters Division.  The teachers wanted the right  to do what 
>> they want with their class recordings.  This statement  clarifies 
>> what the division's rights are and if you look into the meaning 
>> behind  this statement I believe the teachers can get their answer 
>> too.  The  teachers can check this out with their lawyers.
>>
>> Many of you  have forgotten what the Krafters Korner primary mission 
>> is all about.  It  is a place to learn and share how blind people can 
>> craft and be creative.
>> It is a place to make friends and share our love of  crafting.  It is 
>> a place for blind people to get together and share  creative ideas 
>> with other blind people.  Some  individuals seem to have forgotten 
>> why this was started.
>> It
>> had  nothing to do with the NFB Krafters Division making money.  It 
>> was to encourage the talent and creativity of the blind and this 
>> remains the same  today, this has not changed, making a buck is not 
>> what we are here  for.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/) 
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