[Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting

Sun May 1 00:27:13 UTC 2011

I don't understand why a teacher would want her classes recorded in the 
first place.  I would never want anything I am teaching to be recorded at 
all.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
To: "'Barb Roland'" <barbwire59 at gmail.com>; "'List for blind crafters and 
artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting


>I agree with you Barb.
>
> Terry K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Barb Roland
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:11 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting
>
> Since this subject has come alive again....I would just like to say I 
> don't
> understand how the NFB feels they can retain the rights to theses 
> recordings
> if the instructors are not employed or contracted by the NFB. If the NFB
> wanted to draw up a cirrculum and instructional material, then yes they
> would have the rights to recordings, if the NFB purchased the rights to 
> the
> patterns, then yes they would have the rights to the recordings.
>
> To resolve the sistuation? Do away with the recordings as the classes are
> not a"formal" class, continue to require the minimal $10.00 membership fee
> for unlimited classes. I do understand that recorded instructions are
> beneficial, however, with all the general chattering and more than one
> person speaking at a time makes it difficult to follow along.
> I feel this recording issue will cause a decrease in the number of classes
> and instructors and that would be a sad thing to see.
>
> I for one am happy to pay the membership fee in order to learn blind
> crafting techniques. I also appreciate the fact that Krafters Korner (and
> thoses who worked so diligently to form it) is available for those of us 
> who
> are losing or have lost our sitght and wish to continue or learn crafting
> technipues.
> Barb R.
> Z6
>
> 'Just living is not enough,' said the butterfly, 'one must have sunshine,
> freedom and a little flower.' ~ Hans Christian Anderson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Henrietta Brewer" <gary.brewer at comcast.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting
>
>
>> To me, NFB Krafters was a place to learn new crafts and make friends
>> for sure.  If the Karfters Korner wants to sell or use the mp3's of
>> our chatting and learning, it looks like they have that right.
>>
>> Teachers have the right to decide whether they want their classes
>> distributed to unknown people. They just should not do classes for the
>> Karfter's division.
>>
>> I think that when you talked to your lawyers you forgot an important
>> issue. Not only do the teachers have a stake in what is distributed
>> but the students will also have their comments sold or used for
>> whatever the division feels will help the group.  I for one, can't
>> feel good about interaction on a class if my words will go down in mp3
> history.
>>
>> The classes and chats have always been like a knitting circle for me.
>> I could be at home where I am needed and join in with others that
>> enjoy crafting.  If I misunderstand and say something that sounds off
>> the wall, I don't want it replayed and replayed and maybe go places I
>> am not in favor of.
>>
>> So, I for one, can't feel good about speaking at classes from this
>> time forward.
>>
>> As a division, you might want to go back to the lawyers and ask what
>> they feel is necessary to alert students to the fact that what they
>> say can be sold or used as promotional information.
>>
>> As you think of this one fact, you might begin to realize that the
>> lawyers could only advise you on the info you gave them. That makes
>> your decisions incomplete.
>>
>> Did you think of the fact that giving the mp3's to students would
>> allow them to share with anyone they choose.  There is no stopping
>> this as you know. But when the mp3's become something with monitery
>> value people can have new ideas about how to manage them.
>>
>> Unless you are in a class the recordings become confusing and very 
>> boring.
>
>> So the  money you will collect will probably be minimal. I am not
>> worried about what you will make on them. You are right. The ten
>> dollar fee is so small for all we gained. And probably I should have
>> been afraid to speak all along. But you have made it very clear to me 
>> now.
>>
>> I guess every little sewing circle has the potential to become big
>> business. I am looking for a little sewing circle.
>> Henrietta On Apr 30, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Blindhands at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am sorry you feel this way.  This statement is what Attorney Brown 
>>> had
>>> suggested and approved.   We were forced to do this to clarify the  NFB
>>> Krafters
>>> Division responsibility for the recordings.
>>>
>>> I  started this list, division and all that Krafters Korner has to
>>> offer solely to  have a place where blind people can come and share
>>> and learn how to continue doing crafts.  It was a friendly place to
>>> email, call up and  talk to folks about how they do crafting without
>>> sight.  It moved forward  and I was thrilled when Laurie offered to
>>> do beading classes and we  researched how to do conference call
>>> classes.  It was all a bunch of  friends having a good time doing
>>> this no matter where you lived.  I went  forward with starting this
>>> division so we could reach out to more people that  are blind.  I
>>> have spread the word every way I could and put my love of  crafting
>>> first.  Other folks here joined in with me to make this a unique
>>> place for blind people.
>>>
>>> We have spread and grown and people  from different time zones have
>>> expressed their wishes to be able to be part of  Krafters Korner and
>>> be included in the chances of participating in  classes.  I have
>>> listened and tried to figure out ways to accommodate  all.
>>>
>>> All we ask is $10 per year for folks to enjoy all of the  benefits. 
>>> If
>>> we were the money hungry souls that people have  blamed us for being,
>>> we would be charging people for every class they  take.  We would not
>>> be offering MP3 files for them to keep and listen  to.  Go out and
>>> take a class in the real world and you pay big bucks for  it.  You
>>> miss a class and it is too bad for you.
>>> They don't provide  you with anything.  The teachers here give their
>>> time up to you for  free.  They give you extra time during the week
>>> or via email whenever you  need it.  The list is open 24 hours a day
>>> to answer your questions.
>>>
>>> It took a few people to start this uproar and  point the finger at
>>> NFB Krafters Division.  The teachers wanted the right  to do what
>>> they want with their class recordings.  This statement  clarifies
>>> what the division's rights are and if you look into the meaning
>>> behind  this statement I believe the teachers can get their answer
>>> too.  The  teachers can check this out with their lawyers.
>>>
>>> Many of you  have forgotten what the Krafters Korner primary mission
>>> is all about.  It  is a place to learn and share how blind people can
>>> craft and be creative.
>>> It is a place to make friends and share our love of  crafting.  It is
>>> a place for blind people to get together and share  creative ideas
>>> with other blind people.  Some  individuals seem to have forgotten
>>> why this was started.
>>> It
>>> had  nothing to do with the NFB Krafters Division making money.  It
>>> was to encourage the talent and creativity of the blind and this
>>> remains the same  today, this has not changed, making a buck is not
>>> what we are here  for.
>>>
>>> Joyce Kane
>>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
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