[Nfb-krafters-korner] what you are forgetting
Blindhands at aol.com
Blindhands at aol.com
Sun May 1 19:38:42 UTC 2011
Henrietta,
I appreciate and hear what you are saying. I am sorry that this had to be
forced into this.
Everyone is forgetting that the NFB Krafters Division has not sold nor
have given these recordings to anyone except the people attending the
classes. The recordings were all done under NFB Krafters Division name. When
there was a question regarding if members could purchase recordings of classes
that they did not attend and the teacher made the statement that
recordings of her classes are hers and if she wants to sell them that is only her
right. It was totally blown up from there.
At this point of time again no one on the board or behind anyone"s back
have there been talk or plans about selling these recordings.
I agree with you that these recordings are good for the people that have
taken the class and would like to refer back to it, but I do not think they
are worth anything to anyone else.
I would like to be able to put a blurb of a class on the website to promote
and let others hear an brief example of a class, but from what went on
this list in the past we felt we could not do that.
I have had the wind in my sails blown away by what people here has blamed
me of doing. I can't believe I have been called a wolf in disguised
clothing. I think everyone here that has taken part in this mud slinging should
take a good look at themselves. Maybe instead of thinking about yourself
and worrying if Krafters Korner is looking to make big bucks off of you, I
repeat we have not sold any of these recordings and have only given them to
the students that can attend the classes. It was our decision to send
recordings only to the people at the class to encourage people to come to a
class and participate. If you make the effort to atend a class that is the
only thing a teacher gets out of their time. Your support by showing up.
The Krafters Division encourages people to be a paid member and that is done
by allowing unpaid people to take their first class for free and then
become a paid member in order to take as many classes as they want.
There will be a statement on the class sign up form coming in the near
future stating the class recordings are not to be shared or given away or
sold. They are for the student's personal use only.[you get my idea, this
might not be the exact wording.]
Henrietta, I don't think you need to worry. I don't see these MP3
recordings hitting the pop charts and everyone rushing out to get it.
Joyce Kane
_www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
Blindhands at AOL.com
In a message dated 4/30/2011 6:56:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gary.brewer at comcast.net writes:
To me, NFB Krafters was a place to learn new crafts and make friends for
sure. If the Karfters Korner wants to sell or use the mp3's of our chatting
and learning, it looks like they have that right.
Teachers have the right to decide whether they want their classes
distributed to unknown people. They just should not do classes for the Karfter's
division.
I think that when you talked to your lawyers you forgot an important
issue. Not only do the teachers have a stake in what is distributed but the
students will also have their comments sold or used for whatever the division
feels will help the group. I for one, can't feel good about interaction on
a class if my words will go down in mp3 history.
The classes and chats have always been like a knitting circle for me. I
could be at home where I am needed and join in with others that enjoy
crafting. If I misunderstand and say something that sounds off the wall, I don't
want it replayed and replayed and maybe go places I am not in favor of.
So, I for one, can't feel good about speaking at classes from this time
forward.
As a division, you might want to go back to the lawyers and ask what they
feel is necessary to alert students to the fact that what they say can be
sold or used as promotional information.
As you think of this one fact, you might begin to realize that the lawyers
could only advise you on the info you gave them. That makes your decisions
incomplete.
Did you think of the fact that giving the mp3's to students would allow
them to share with anyone they choose. There is no stopping this as you
know. But when the mp3's become something with monitery value people can have
new ideas about how to manage them.
Unless you are in a class the recordings become confusing and very boring.
So the money you will collect will probably be minimal. I am not worried
about what you will make on them. You are right. The ten dollar fee is so
small for all we gained. And probably I should have been afraid to speak all
along. But you have made it very clear to me now.
I guess every little sewing circle has the potential to become big
business. I am looking for a little sewing circle.
Henrietta On Apr 30, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Blindhands at aol.com wrote:
> I am sorry you feel this way. This statement is what Attorney Brown
had
> suggested and approved. We were forced to do this to clarify the NFB
> Krafters
> Division responsibility for the recordings.
>
> I started this list, division and all that Krafters Korner has to offer
> solely to have a place where blind people can come and share and learn
how to
> continue
> doing crafts. It was a friendly place to email, call up and talk to
folks
> about how they do crafting without sight. It moved forward and I was
> thrilled
> when Laurie offered to do beading classes and we researched how to do
> conference call classes. It was all a bunch of friends having a good
time doing
> this no matter where you lived. I went forward with starting this
> division so we could reach out to more people that are blind. I have
spread the
> word
> every way I could and put my love of crafting first. Other folks here
> joined in with me to make this a unique place for blind people.
>
> We have spread and grown and people from different time zones have
> expressed their wishes to be able to be part of Krafters Korner and be
included in
> the
> chances of participating in classes. I have listened and tried to
figure
> out ways to accommodate all.
>
> All we ask is $10 per year for folks to enjoy all of the benefits.
If
> we were the money hungry souls that people have blamed us for being, we
> would be
> charging people for every class they take. We would not be offering
MP3
> files for them to keep and listen to. Go out and take a class in the
real
> world
> and you pay big bucks for it. You miss a class and it is too bad for
you.
> They don't provide you with anything. The teachers here give their
time
> up
> to you for free. They give you extra time during the week or via email
> whenever you need it. The list is open 24 hours a day to answer your
> questions.
>
> It took a few people to start this uproar and point the finger at NFB
> Krafters Division. The teachers wanted the right to do what they want
with
> their
> class recordings. This statement clarifies what the division's rights
are
> and if you look into the meaning behind this statement I believe the
> teachers
> can get their answer too. The teachers can check this out with their
> lawyers.
>
> Many of you have forgotten what the Krafters Korner primary mission is
all
> about. It is a place to learn and share how blind people can craft and
be
> creative.
> It is a place to make friends and share our love of crafting. It is a
> place for blind people to get together and share creative ideas with
other
> blind
> people. Some individuals seem to have forgotten why this was started.
It
> had nothing to do with the NFB Krafters Division making money. It was
to
> encourage
> the talent and creativity of the blind and this remains the same today,
> this has not changed, making a buck is not what we are here for.
>
> Joyce Kane
> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> Blindhands at AOL.com
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