[Nfb-krafters-korner] Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52, Issue 23
Kendra Schaber
Baltimore777 at comcast.net
Mon Nov 21 00:22:57 UTC 2011
Hi all: I don't have a Mac but I do have a PC. I am one that believes in
updating everything at once since sometimes, bugs come up if not everything
is updated at once. I use JAWS 9.0 which works for me. Windows XP is also
good although I heard that Windows 7 is very good. I have Word 2007 and I
can open Word 2003 documents just fine. If you want to switch to a Mac, look
at your options and figure out which is the best deal.
Kendra Schaber
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> 1. Re: craft patterns in .docx format (David Andrews)
> 2. Re: craft patterns in .docx format
> (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
> 3. computer question (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
> 4. Re: Bolek and tree kits (Ohio Gardener)
> 5. Re: Bolek and tree kits (Blindhands at aol.com)
> 6. Re: computer question (Blindhands at aol.com)
> 7. Re: computer question (Henrietta Brewer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:23:55 -0600
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
> Message-ID: <4EC6BEDB.50808 at visi.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> The converter works through Microsoft Word, and once installed
> automatically allows you to open a DOCX file in earlier versions of word.
>
> The link to download the converter is:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=3
>
>
> Dave
>
> On 11/18/2011 6:43 AM, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E] wrote:
>> How is it going to work if I can not open the original file. To convert
>> something, the file has to be opened. This is not telling me how the
>> program works or how to find it.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com [mailto:Blindhands at aol.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:11 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> Sorry about the file format. I have Word 2010 on my computer. That is
>> very good to know.
>>
>> Terry P. have them put this converter in your computer at work so then if
>> you need to open this type of file you will be able to do it.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 8:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I received a couple files from crafters recently in .docx format. I
>> could not open them and did not know what to do until I was inspired
>> last night.
>> I
>> went to the Microsoft website and put a search in for .docx file
>> converter and immediately found that Microsoft has a converter for free
>> that is easy to download and install. I was reading my .docx files
>> within minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also learned that a .docx file is what word for windows 7 uses. It is
>> not immediately compatible with previous versions of word for windows
>> unless one downloads a converter.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, for anyone else who has been perplexed by these files, now you know
>> what
>> to do!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:15:34 -0500
> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
> To: "'dandrews at visi.com'" <dandrews at visi.com>, 'List for blind
> crafters and artists' <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
> Message-ID:
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> Thanks David and others for the help.
> I will try it out next week.
>
> Terry P.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Andrews [mailto:dandrews at visi.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:24 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>
> The converter works through Microsoft Word, and once installed
> automatically allows you to open a DOCX file in earlier versions of word.
>
> The link to download the converter is:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=3
>
>
> Dave
>
> On 11/18/2011 6:43 AM, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E] wrote:
>> How is it going to work if I can not open the original file. To convert
>> something, the file has to be opened. This is not telling me how the
>> program works or how to find it.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com [mailto:Blindhands at aol.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:11 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> Sorry about the file format. I have Word 2010 on my computer. That is
>> very good to know.
>>
>> Terry P. have them put this converter in your computer at work so then if
>> you need to open this type of file you will be able to do it.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 8:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I received a couple files from crafters recently in .docx format. I
>> could not open them and did not know what to do until I was inspired
>> last night.
>> I
>> went to the Microsoft website and put a search in for .docx file
>> converter and immediately found that Microsoft has a converter for free
>> that is easy to download and install. I was reading my .docx files
>> within minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also learned that a .docx file is what word for windows 7 uses. It is
>> not immediately compatible with previous versions of word for windows
>> unless one downloads a converter.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, for anyone else who has been perplexed by these files, now you
>> know what to do!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:29:28 -0500
> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] computer question
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>
> Does anyone have a Mac?
> I am looking for someone that can tell me how it compairs to using Jaws.
> A friend of mine, suggested looking into getting a Mac. The speach is
> built in. No wories about updating Jaws.
> I will be at work until about 5:00.
> My home number is 301-916-8549
> Any help would be great. My sighted friend has a mac and hopefully we can
> activate the voice on his, to see what it is like.
>
> Terry P.
>
>
> Theresa L. Powers (Terry)
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:16:52 -0500
> From: "Ohio Gardener" <flowersandherbs at gmail.com>
> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
> Message-ID: <4ec6d956.907fe70a.52b5.0f95 at mx.google.com>
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>
> Hello Terry, Joyce and Theresa,
>
> I wanted to let all of you know that I have figured out what was wrong! It
> was very simple and demonstrates how just missing a word or two in a class
> can totally create confusion.
>
> What we missed was this: "after you have finished attaching the pins on
> row
> one, connect the wires to form a ring. Likewise, when you have finished
> row
> two, connect the ends of that wire as well to form a ring, before
> continuing with row 3."
>
> Instead we had the entire tree all three rows of it laid out flat! Once we
> connected our wires into a circle on rows one and two, it was easy to
> understand how we could start at the marker pin on row three, because now
> we
> were going in a circle and would eventually come round to the other end of
> the wire.
>
> So we have finished redoing the tree and found a few mistakes along the
> way,
> (one extra bead, and one wrong sized bead) but we have learned a lot in
> the
> process and are much quicker at working with the beads and wire now. also,
> it is soo much easier to work with the pins in a circle rather then out
> flat!
>
>
> Thank you all for your explanations, we apologize for not catching that
> crucial detail of the process.
>
> Ohio and husband.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers, Terry
> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:55 AM
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>
> Ohio;
> I think I know what your problem is!
> Your connection, or twist of your wire on row 2 is not in the same place
> as
> it is on row three. From what you are saying, the two connections are
> about
> 7 pins from each other. That is why we are using the marker pin, so we
> will
> know where to start the next row, so the ornament patern will fall in to
> place. If you have enough pins on each row and they altrinate, like I
> described in my other e-mail, I think you have it right. There are extra
> C
> pins for future rows.
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Theresa Taylor [mailto:tct71887 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>
> Ohio,
>
> lol...that was actually Ken. I don't have enough hearing for the regular
> phone.
> Terry is correct. You start at that marked C pin and then you will end
> with
> a bead right next to it. It is the same amount of pins from the top no
> matter where you start. The only reason we start there is to keep that
> pattern going that Terry so nicely described.
> HOpe this helps and feel free to call back.
> Theresa
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Ohio Gardener wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Just wanted to let you all know that I called Bolek today and they
>> were happy to send me the beads missing from my kit free of charge or
> shipping.
>> They said they will send them right out, so I will be good to go.
>>
>> Today my husband and I worked on row three of the pins. It was
>> puzzling to us to find that the directions didn't work out and we
>> ended up having to adjust the pattern.
>>
>> You see what happened was that we had eight pins in row one, and 16 in
>> row two, then 24 in row three. This made sense to us because row two
>> had a 1 1 pattern, while row 3 had a 2 and 1 pattern. However, the
>> perplexity came when the instructions said to begin at the marker pin,
>> which in our case was seven pins into the row. When we did the pattern
>> in this way, we ran out of pins in row two to connect with, before we
>> ran out of c pins. All we could think to do was to start at the
>> beginning of the row, which enabled us to follow the pattern
>> correctly. The tree is now looking like a tree, but maybe the color
> pattern is not quite right.
>> Another thing we neglected to do until row 3 was completed was to
>> connect the two ends of row two. Could it be that this was the problem?
>>
>> Anyway, If anyone out there can figure out what if anything we are not
>> understanding, i.e. how we can start in seven pins and still end with
>> all pins used, please let me know. we will work it over again. I did
>> talk to Theresa on the phone about this, but I believe I was unable to
>> explain our puzzlement clearly. I often write better than I speak.
>>
>> Also, just as a note from a newbee, I believe I would have preferred
>> not to have laid the pins out before starting the row. If I'd done the
>> project alone, it would have been difficult to keep the pins straight
>> while fooling with the wire, that is even if My cat hadn't been up on
>> my dining room table, very interested in what we were doing. Taking
>> them one by one from my bag would have been easier and "safer" for me I
> believe.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:13 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> How many do you need. I have at least 15, maybe more.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ohio Gardener [mailto:flowersandherbs at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:55 PM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I really liked Terry P's idea of saving extra kits after a project. I
>> plan to do this, I have a few large stars and colored beads to start
>> my collection. Thanks for the tip about putting broken beads in the
>> center of the pin. however, my broken ones were unusable, but I
>> substituted large stars and hope they will fit into the tree. My other
>> option is to short a few other E pins, so I can have close to the amount
> needed.
>>
>> Which option is preferable, larger star substitutes or shorting other
>> E pins?
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol
>> Schnip
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:44 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I To had many of the stars that were broken. But since whe did not
>> have a lot of the beads I did what I could and put one broken one one
>> close to where the pin is in the center of the tree. I did have a
>> pack of beads missing about 15 of the larger star beads and five of
>> the pins. They are replaceing the missing beads and pins. But if I am
>> going to make another I think I will gather the beads. That way if I
>> miss any it will be me to blame. lol Hugs all CarolAnn
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:28:25 -0500 (EST)
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
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>
> Dear Ohio and husband,
>
> I am very happy to hear it is going well now. I know we use the term row
> and I will say that is true on all the safety pin projects that I have
> made
> so far, that you work one at a time and the directions usually say: twist
> ends together tight and trim off excess. We do suggest that you don't
> trim
> it off until you work down a couple of rows and go back and retighten
> that
> top row. It gives you a chance to touch it and feel it to be sure you
> have
> not missed working a pin or that any pin is going in the wrong direction.
> If we had sight maybe by looking we could pick those up faster. If you
> missed working a pin and you already trimmed that excess wire off, it can
> be
> a real chalenge going back and adding the pin and bead. As when you do
> that you are using more spacing on the wire and you may not have enough
> to
> reach the end and twist together. [Then you will have to piece in another
> piece of wire to finish the row. Been there done that.]
>
>
>
> Joyce Kane
> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> Blindhands at AOL.com
>
>
> In a message dated 11/18/2011 5:43:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>
> Hello Terry, Joyce and Theresa,
>
> I wanted to let all of you know that I have figured out what was wrong!
> It
> was very simple and demonstrates how just missing a word or two in a
> class
> can totally create confusion.
>
> What we missed was this: "after you have finished attaching the pins on
> row
> one, connect the wires to form a ring. Likewise, when you have finished
> row
> two, connect the ends of that wire as well to form a ring, before
> continuing with row 3."
>
> Instead we had the entire tree all three rows of it laid out flat! Once
> we
> connected our wires into a circle on rows one and two, it was easy to
> understand how we could start at the marker pin on row three, because now
> we
> were going in a circle and would eventually come round to the other end
> of
> the wire.
>
> So we have finished redoing the tree and found a few mistakes along the
> way,
> (one extra bead, and one wrong sized bead) but we have learned a lot in
> the
> process and are much quicker at working with the beads and wire now.
> also,
> it is soo much easier to work with the pins in a circle rather then out
> flat!
>
>
> Thank you all for your explanations, we apologize for not catching that
> crucial detail of the process.
>
> Ohio and husband.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
> Terry
> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:55 AM
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>
> Ohio;
> I think I know what your problem is!
> Your connection, or twist of your wire on row 2 is not in the same place
> as
> it is on row three. From what you are saying, the two connections are
> about
> 7 pins from each other. That is why we are using the marker pin, so we
> will
> know where to start the next row, so the ornament patern will fall in to
> place. If you have enough pins on each row and they altrinate, like I
> described in my other e-mail, I think you have it right. There are extra
> C
> pins for future rows.
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Theresa Taylor [mailto:tct71887 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>
> Ohio,
>
> lol...that was actually Ken. I don't have enough hearing for the regular
> phone.
> Terry is correct. You start at that marked C pin and then you will end
> with
> a bead right next to it. It is the same amount of pins from the top no
> matter where you start. The only reason we start there is to keep that
> pattern going that Terry so nicely described.
> HOpe this helps and feel free to call back.
> Theresa
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Ohio Gardener wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Just wanted to let you all know that I called Bolek today and they
>> were happy to send me the beads missing from my kit free of charge or
> shipping.
>> They said they will send them right out, so I will be good to go.
>>
>> Today my husband and I worked on row three of the pins. It was
>> puzzling to us to find that the directions didn't work out and we
>> ended up having to adjust the pattern.
>>
>> You see what happened was that we had eight pins in row one, and 16 in
>> row two, then 24 in row three. This made sense to us because row two
>> had a 1 1 pattern, while row 3 had a 2 and 1 pattern. However, the
>> perplexity came when the instructions said to begin at the marker pin,
>> which in our case was seven pins into the row. When we did the pattern
>> in this way, we ran out of pins in row two to connect with, before we
>> ran out of c pins. All we could think to do was to start at the
>> beginning of the row, which enabled us to follow the pattern
>> correctly. The tree is now looking like a tree, but maybe the color
> pattern is not quite right.
>> Another thing we neglected to do until row 3 was completed was to
>> connect the two ends of row two. Could it be that this was the
>> problem?
>>
>> Anyway, If anyone out there can figure out what if anything we are not
>> understanding, i.e. how we can start in seven pins and still end with
>> all pins used, please let me know. we will work it over again. I did
>> talk to Theresa on the phone about this, but I believe I was unable to
>> explain our puzzlement clearly. I often write better than I speak.
>>
>> Also, just as a note from a newbee, I believe I would have preferred
>> not to have laid the pins out before starting the row. If I'd done the
>> project alone, it would have been difficult to keep the pins straight
>> while fooling with the wire, that is even if My cat hadn't been up on
>> my dining room table, very interested in what we were doing. Taking
>> them one by one from my bag would have been easier and "safer" for me I
> believe.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:13 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> How many do you need. I have at least 15, maybe more.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ohio Gardener [mailto:flowersandherbs at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:55 PM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I really liked Terry P's idea of saving extra kits after a project. I
>> plan to do this, I have a few large stars and colored beads to start
>> my collection. Thanks for the tip about putting broken beads in the
>> center of the pin. however, my broken ones were unusable, but I
>> substituted large stars and hope they will fit into the tree. My other
>> option is to short a few other E pins, so I can have close to the amount
> needed.
>>
>> Which option is preferable, larger star substitutes or shorting other
>> E pins?
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol
>> Schnip
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:44 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I To had many of the stars that were broken. But since whe did not
>> have a lot of the beads I did what I could and put one broken one one
>> close to where the pin is in the center of the tree. I did have a
>> pack of beads missing about 15 of the larger star beads and five of
>> the pins. They are replaceing the missing beads and pins. But if I am
>> going to make another I think I will gather the beads. That way if I
>> miss any it will be me to blame. lol Hugs all CarolAnn
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:50:04 -0500 (EST)
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] computer question
> Message-ID: <5c181.204d065d.3bf8573c at aol.com>
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>
> This is just my opinion. If you have been a JAWS user for a long time
> and use it frequently changing to anything will take time to learn. So
> that
> part is up to how willing you are to learn new things.
>
> The second part of my opinion is upgrades come for JAWS usually on an
> annual basis. So changes for JAWS screenreading program and the
> development
> of this program is being addressed by Freedom Scientific all the time.
>
> Apple put the effort into making their computers with voice over which is
> fantastic, but their development teams are improving the whole computer
> annually and not just concentrating on the voice over part of the
> machine. I
> am not sure how often Apple comes out with upgrades that are a software
> upgrade or if upgrades are made for newly manufactured Apple computers
> only.
>
> So if the above is the case if you plan to purchase a new computer every
> few years then there are your considerations.
>
> I wish I could afford to buy one of those new Mac computers I have played
> with them in Best buy. I am willing to put in the time and effort of
> learning so I would have the knowledge of using both computers, but I took
> the
> cheaper way out the beginning of this year and bought a regular PC.
>
> Joyce Kane
> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> Blindhands at AOL.com
>
>
> In a message dated 11/18/2011 4:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Terry.Powers at nih.gov writes:
>
>
> Does anyone have a Mac?
> I am looking for someone that can tell me how it compairs to using Jaws.
> A friend of mine, suggested looking into getting a Mac. The speach is
> built in. No wories about updating Jaws.
> I will be at work until about 5:00.
> My home number is 301-916-8549
> Any help would be great. My sighted friend has a mac and hopefully we
> can
> activate the voice on his, to see what it is like.
>
> Terry P.
>
>
> Theresa L. Powers (Terry)
> Grants Clerk
> Tobacco Control Research Branch
> NIH/NCI/DCCPS/BRP/TCRB/DEAS
> 6130 Executive Blvd, MSC 7337
> EPN 4039B
> Bethesda, MD 20892-7337
>
> Rockville, MD 20852-7337 (express mail)
>
> Phone: 301-496-8584
> FAX: 301-496-8675
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:07:18 -0500
> From: Henrietta Brewer <gary.brewer at comcast.net>
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] computer question
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> Hi Terry and all,
> I am a Mac user now. I am not sure how I would do on a windows product
> with windoweyes now. lol I did take lessons to learn the Mac. But I love
> it. Yes, there are occassional upgrades to Voice over. Usually the Mac
> upgrades help "vo" work better.
>
> I needed to buy the new windoweyes when I got this computer. So the Apple
> was a better deal for me.
>
> Henrietta
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Blindhands at aol.com wrote:
>
>> This is just my opinion. If you have been a JAWS user for a long time
>> and use it frequently changing to anything will take time to learn. So
>> that
>> part is up to how willing you are to learn new things.
>>
>> The second part of my opinion is upgrades come for JAWS usually on an
>> annual basis. So changes for JAWS screenreading program and the
>> development
>> of this program is being addressed by Freedom Scientific all the time.
>>
>> Apple put the effort into making their computers with voice over which is
>> fantastic, but their development teams are improving the whole computer
>> annually and not just concentrating on the voice over part of the
>> machine. I
>> am not sure how often Apple comes out with upgrades that are a software
>> upgrade or if upgrades are made for newly manufactured Apple computers
>> only.
>>
>> So if the above is the case if you plan to purchase a new computer
>> every
>> few years then there are your considerations.
>>
>> I wish I could afford to buy one of those new Mac computers I have played
>> with them in Best buy. I am willing to put in the time and effort of
>> learning so I would have the knowledge of using both computers, but I
>> took the
>> cheaper way out the beginning of this year and bought a regular PC.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/18/2011 4:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> Terry.Powers at nih.gov writes:
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have a Mac?
>> I am looking for someone that can tell me how it compairs to using Jaws.
>> A friend of mine, suggested looking into getting a Mac. The speach is
>> built in. No wories about updating Jaws.
>> I will be at work until about 5:00.
>> My home number is 301-916-8549
>> Any help would be great. My sighted friend has a mac and hopefully we
>> can
>> activate the voice on his, to see what it is like.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>>
>> Theresa L. Powers (Terry)
>> Grants Clerk
>> Tobacco Control Research Branch
>> NIH/NCI/DCCPS/BRP/TCRB/DEAS
>> 6130 Executive Blvd, MSC 7337
>> EPN 4039B
>> Bethesda, MD 20892-7337
>>
>> Rockville, MD 20852-7337 (express mail)
>>
>> Phone: 301-496-8584
>> FAX: 301-496-8675
>> E-mail: terry.powers at nih.gov<mailto:terry.powers at nih.gov>
>>
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