[Nfb-krafters-korner] Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52, Issue 25
Becky Frankeberger
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Wed Nov 23 18:59:56 UTC 2011
In your message Kendra it said:
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Becky and guide dog Jake
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[mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber
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Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52, Issue
25
Hi Terry, it is about the digest. That particular digest of last Saturday
was too large for my computer to prosess correctly and my screen reader
wasn't able to read it. My question is: What was that single volume on the
mailing digest was all about? I want to make sure that I didn't miss
anything important. I have tryed to get off of the digest feature of the
mailing list but have not had luck. Does anyone know how to stay on the
Crafter's Corner but get off of the digest?
Kendra Schaber
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> 1. Re: christmas tree instructions? (Blindhands at aol.com)
> 2. Monday Night Chat (Blindhands at aol.com)
> 3. safety pin projects (Jean Parker)
> 4. Re: Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52, Issue 22 (Kendra Schaber)
> 5. Re: Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52, Issue 23 (Kendra Schaber)
> 6. Re: Bolek and tree kits (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
> 7. Re: safety pin projects (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
> 8. Re: Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52, Issue 22
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:34:22 -0500 (EST)
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] christmas tree instructions?
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> Pipi
>
> You need to attend the classes to receive the written directions. That
> is
> a Krafters Korner rule. It encourages members to take the time to attend
> the classes that the teachers have planned out. We have done a safety
> pin
> Christmas tree class last year and this year. Since it is such a popular
> class I am sure we will do it again. Just a note the 2 Christmas Trees
> were
> different in size and in beads so they did not look anything alike.
>
> Joyce Kane
> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> Blindhands at AOL.com
>
>
> In a message dated 11/19/2011 9:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> blahblahblah0822 at gmail.com writes:
>
> Is is possible to get a copy of the written instructions for this
> christmas
> tree even though i didn't attend the class?
> sorry I'm still new to all of this.
> Pipi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:43 PM
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Tough class tonight
>
>
>> Theresa,
>>
>> Many thanks for the class tonight on the Xmas tree. The tree is a
>> tough
>> one to do. The new folks that have not done any of the safety pin
>> beading
>> you need to know the tree is a tough one as you are building it from top
>> down. The easier ones build from bottom up.
>>
>> Don't give up if you have any questions we will be right here for you.
>>
>> the second row use the written directions as I think things got
>> confusing
>> with the discussion in the recording due to keep going back and
>> repeating
>> directions.
>>
>> Theresa will send out the written directions to all of you in the
>> class.
>> Directions are sent out part by part as far as the class covers in
>> each
>> night. Have no fear you will receive a set of directions complete when
>> the
>> class ends so you can make more of them.
>>
>> I do wonder how this would look done with green beads instead of the
>> crystal. Bolek sells each size beads in all the same color in a bag or
> 1
>> bag of
>> mixed colors. So you could purchase a bag of the assorted 12 mm
> fasceted
>> beads and that would give you the array of colored beads.
>>
>> I think next time I order I will have to get the stuff to make this tree
>> in
>> green with the colored beads.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:36:05 -0500 (EST)
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Monday Night Chat
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> Hello everyone,
>
> We do not have a Monday Night Chat planned for November 21. You can call
> in if you would like to chat. I am not sure if I will be there or not.
>
> We do have the Christmas tree class planned on Tuesday at 8 PM.
>
> I want to wish you all a warm and happy Thanksgiving with plenty of food
> and good thoughts.
>
> Have a great Turky Day from the Krafters Korner family to your family.
> Joyce Kane
> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> Blindhands at AOL.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:54:40 -0700
> From: "Jean Parker" <radioforever at gmail.com>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] safety pin projects
> Message-ID: <23AF0B9CA5964676A2750A5F02E2568B at parker2a5f9fdd>
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> Hi Theresa and All:
> Are there going to be any more safety pin classes held this year? I am in
> the US for some time and can attend a class on the phone. I have done
> quite a few things on my own but it would be so much fun to attend a
> class!
>
> Jean
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:07:11 -0800
> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52,
> Issue 22
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>
> Hi all: What was the issue Vol52 Issue 21 about? My computer couldn't
> handle
> it for my screen reader to read it. Also, what is going to be this coming
> Monday's topic on the phone confrence call? I have not heard anything
> about
> it. Thank you!
> Kendra Schaber
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> Subject: Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52, Issue 22
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>> 1. Re: Bolek and tree kits (Denise Shaible)
>> 2. Re: craft patterns in .docx format
>> (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
>> 3. Re: Bolek and tree kits (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
>> 4. Re: craft patterns in .docx format (Dixie)
>> 5. Re: craft patterns in .docx format
>> (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:44:12 -0800
>> From: "Denise Shaible" <denise.shaible at att.net>
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>> Message-ID: <AC33F43C6008457CB4B73009D3E1AC7E at OwnerPC>
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>>
>> Joyce,
>>
>> I'm glad you mentioned the colors. I don't know If I ever had that many
>> different colored ornaments on my tree. I've had lots of colored lights
>> but
>> not ornaments. I was thinking the very thing you said. I mean, just
>> making one or two colors. When I get more practice with safety pin
>> beading,
>> maybe I'll try that. I'm sure it would look very nice. It sounds like
>> one
>> can get creative even with a kit.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Denise
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:42 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I will say it is best to finish off by twisting wire tight before going
>> to
>> next row. It completes the row and gives you more of a circle shape to
>> followwhen doing the next row. It is easy to pick up the wrong pin from
>> the
>> previous row. I do know that for sure as I have made mistakes and
>> instead
>> of undoing a entire row, I have cut the wire in 2 consecutive rows to
>> fix
>> a mistake. I don't advise you doing that until you have more practice
>> under your belt.
>>
>> Now for the starting on #7 pin. It will still be adding the 24 pins in
>> a
>> 2 pins and then previous row tthen 1 pin and previous row. It is
>> starting
>> off on that C pin to just stagger the colored pins into a different
>> pattern
>> texture. I am saying texture as the pins have the colored bead coming
>> at
>> different levels on each pin and I am guessing it does it to shift it up
>> and down as you would put ornaments on a tree.
>>
>> Now as Theresa did say she is reading the pattern the way Bolek has
>> written
>> it. There is no reason why you can't put them on another order. That
>> way is your original creation. Just as we said in the class, it would be
>> good to do it in green and the colored beads. You can purchase all the
>> things
>> you got in the kit as lights, star, pins, beads. You just have to
>> purchase the items in the amounts that they sell the bags and supplies.
>> So
>> you
>> might have to purchase more then you need, but it is always good to have
>> extra ones on hand.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 4:36:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Just wanted to let you all know that I called Bolek today and they were
>> happy to send me the beads missing from my kit free of charge or
>> shipping.
>> They said they will send them right out, so I will be good to go.
>>
>> Today my husband and I worked on row three of the pins. It was puzzling
>> to
>> us to find that the directions didn't work out and we ended up having to
>> adjust the pattern.
>>
>> You see what happened was that we had eight pins in row one, and 16 in
>> row
>> two, then 24 in row three. This made sense to us because row two had a 1
>> 1
>> pattern, while row 3 had a 2 and 1 pattern. However, the perplexity came
>> when the instructions said to begin at the marker pin, which in our case
>> was
>> seven pins into the row. When we did the pattern in this way, we ran out
>> of
>> pins in row two to connect with, before we ran out of c pins. All we
>> could
>> think to do was to start at the beginning of the row, which enabled us
>> to
>> follow the pattern correctly. The tree is now looking like a tree, but
>> maybe the color pattern is not quite right.
>> Another thing we neglected to do until row 3 was completed was to
>> connect
>> the two ends of row two. Could it be that this was the problem?
>>
>> Anyway, If anyone out there can figure out what if anything we are not
>> understanding, i.e. how we can start in seven pins and still end with
>> all
>> pins used, please let me know. we will work it over again. I did talk to
>> Theresa on the phone about this, but I believe I was unable to explain
>> our
>> puzzlement clearly. I often write better than I speak.
>>
>> Also, just as a note from a newbee, I believe I would have preferred not
>> to
>> have laid the pins out before starting the row. If I'd done the project
>> alone, it would have been difficult to keep the pins straight while
>> fooling
>> with the wire, that is even if My cat hadn't been up on my dining room
>> table, very interested in what we were doing. Taking them one by one
>> from
>> my
>> bag would have been easier and "safer" for me I believe.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:13 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> How many do you need. I have at least 15, maybe more.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ohio Gardener [mailto:flowersandherbs at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:55 PM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I really liked Terry P's idea of saving extra kits after a project. I
>> plan
>> to do this, I have a few large stars and colored beads to start my
>> collection. Thanks for the tip about putting broken beads in the center
>> of
>> the pin. however, my broken ones were unusable, but I substituted large
>> stars and hope they will fit into the tree. My other option is to short
>> a
>> few other E pins, so I can have close to the amount needed.
>>
>> Which option is preferable, larger star substitutes or shorting other E
>> pins?
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol
>> Schnip
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:44 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I To had many of the stars that were broken. But since whe did not have
>> a
>> lot of the beads I did what I could and put one broken one one close to
>> where the pin is in the center of the tree. I did have a pack of beads
>> missing about 15 of the larger star beads and five of the pins. They are
>> replaceing the missing beads and pins. But if I am going to make
>> another
>> I
>> think I will gather the beads. That way if I miss any it will be me to
>> blame. lol Hugs all CarolAnn
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:43:42 -0500
>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>> Message-ID:
>> <4D33CBF80E0D6040BB226B85E91EA0522543098AF9 at NIHMLBX06.nih.gov>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> How is it going to work if I can not open the original file. To convert
>> something, the file has to be opened. This is not telling me how the
>> program works or how to find it.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com [mailto:Blindhands at aol.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:11 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> Sorry about the file format. I have Word 2010 on my computer. That is
>> very good to know.
>>
>> Terry P. have them put this converter in your computer at work so then if
>> you need to open this type of file you will be able to do it.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 8:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I received a couple files from crafters recently in .docx format. I
>> could
>> not open them and did not know what to do until I was inspired last
>> night.
>> I
>> went to the Microsoft website and put a search in for .docx file
>> converter and immediately found that Microsoft has a converter for free
>> that is easy to download and install. I was reading my .docx files
>> within
>> minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also learned that a .docx file is what word for windows 7 uses. It is
>> not immediately compatible with previous versions of word for windows
>> unless one downloads a converter.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, for anyone else who has been perplexed by these files, now you know
>> what
>> to do!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:55:14 -0500
>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Ohio;
>> I think I know what your problem is!
>> Your connection, or twist of your wire on row 2 is not in the same place
>> as it is on row three. From what you are saying, the two connections are
>> about 7 pins from each other. That is why we are using the marker pin,
>> so
>> we will know where to start the next row, so the ornament patern will
>> fall
>> in to place. If you have enough pins on each row and they altrinate,
>> like
>> I described in my other e-mail, I think you have it right. There are
>> extra C pins for future rows.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Theresa Taylor [mailto:tct71887 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> Ohio,
>>
>> lol...that was actually Ken. I don't have enough hearing for the regular
>> phone.
>> Terry is correct. You start at that marked C pin and then you will end
>> with a bead right next to it. It is the same amount of pins from the top
>> no matter where you start. The only reason we start there is to keep that
>> pattern going that Terry so nicely described.
>> HOpe this helps and feel free to call back.
>> Theresa
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Ohio Gardener wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to let you all know that I called Bolek today and they
>>> were happy to send me the beads missing from my kit free of charge or
>>> shipping.
>>> They said they will send them right out, so I will be good to go.
>>>
>>> Today my husband and I worked on row three of the pins. It was
>>> puzzling to us to find that the directions didn't work out and we
>>> ended up having to adjust the pattern.
>>>
>>> You see what happened was that we had eight pins in row one, and 16 in
>>> row two, then 24 in row three. This made sense to us because row two
>>> had a 1 1 pattern, while row 3 had a 2 and 1 pattern. However, the
>>> perplexity came when the instructions said to begin at the marker pin,
>>> which in our case was seven pins into the row. When we did the pattern
>>> in this way, we ran out of pins in row two to connect with, before we
>>> ran out of c pins. All we could think to do was to start at the
>>> beginning of the row, which enabled us to follow the pattern
>>> correctly. The tree is now looking like a tree, but maybe the color
>>> pattern is not quite right.
>>> Another thing we neglected to do until row 3 was completed was to
>>> connect the two ends of row two. Could it be that this was the problem?
>>>
>>> Anyway, If anyone out there can figure out what if anything we are not
>>> understanding, i.e. how we can start in seven pins and still end with
>>> all pins used, please let me know. we will work it over again. I did
>>> talk to Theresa on the phone about this, but I believe I was unable to
>>> explain our puzzlement clearly. I often write better than I speak.
>>>
>>> Also, just as a note from a newbee, I believe I would have preferred
>>> not to have laid the pins out before starting the row. If I'd done the
>>> project alone, it would have been difficult to keep the pins straight
>>> while fooling with the wire, that is even if My cat hadn't been up on
>>> my dining room table, very interested in what we were doing. Taking
>>> them one by one from my bag would have been easier and "safer" for me I
>>> believe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>>> Terry
>>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:13 AM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> How many do you need. I have at least 15, maybe more.
>>>
>>> Terry P.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ohio Gardener [mailto:flowersandherbs at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:55 PM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> I really liked Terry P's idea of saving extra kits after a project. I
>>> plan to do this, I have a few large stars and colored beads to start
>>> my collection. Thanks for the tip about putting broken beads in the
>>> center of the pin. however, my broken ones were unusable, but I
>>> substituted large stars and hope they will fit into the tree. My other
>>> option is to short a few other E pins, so I can have close to the amount
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> Which option is preferable, larger star substitutes or shorting other
>>> E pins?
>>>
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol
>>> Schnip
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:44 PM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> I To had many of the stars that were broken. But since whe did not
>>> have a lot of the beads I did what I could and put one broken one one
>>> close to where the pin is in the center of the tree. I did have a
>>> pack of beads missing about 15 of the larger star beads and five of
>>> the pins. They are replaceing the missing beads and pins. But if I am
>>> going to make another I think I will gather the beads. That way if I
>>> miss any it will be me to blame. lol Hugs all CarolAnn
>>>
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:08:25 -0500
>> From: "Dixie" <blueherons at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>> Message-ID: <00ae01cca5f3$28d70d40$7a8527c0$@sbcglobal.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Terry,
>>
>> If you need something converted send it to me and I will convert it for
>> you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dixie
>> ~ @-> ~ <-@ ~
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:44 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> How is it going to work if I can not open the original file. To convert
>> something, the file has to be opened. This is not telling me how the
>> program works or how to find it.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com [mailto:Blindhands at aol.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:11 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> Sorry about the file format. I have Word 2010 on my computer. That is
>> very good to know.
>>
>> Terry P. have them put this converter in your computer at work so then if
>> you need to open this type of file you will be able to do it.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 8:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I received a couple files from crafters recently in .docx format. I
>> could
>> not open them and did not know what to do until I was inspired last
>> night.
>> I
>> went to the Microsoft website and put a search in for .docx file
>> converter
>> and immediately found that Microsoft has a converter for free that is
>> easy
>> to download and install. I was reading my .docx files within minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also learned that a .docx file is what word for windows 7 uses. It is
>> not
>> immediately compatible with previous versions of word for windows unless
>> one downloads a converter.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, for anyone else who has been perplexed by these files, now you know
>> what to do!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:23:10 -0500
>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>> Message-ID:
>> <4D33CBF80E0D6040BB226B85E91EA0522543098B00 at NIHMLBX06.nih.gov>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Thanks Dixie. What is your last name and your phone number if you want,
>> so I can add you to my address book.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>> Terry.powers at nih.gov
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dixie [mailto:blueherons at sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:08 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> Terry,
>>
>> If you need something converted send it to me and I will convert it for
>> you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dixie
>> ~ @-> ~ <-@ ~
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:44 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> How is it going to work if I can not open the original file. To convert
>> something, the file has to be opened. This is not telling me how the
>> program works or how to find it.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com [mailto:Blindhands at aol.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:11 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> Sorry about the file format. I have Word 2010 on my computer. That is
>> very good to know.
>>
>> Terry P. have them put this converter in your computer at work so then if
>> you need to open this type of file you will be able to do it.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 8:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I received a couple files from crafters recently in .docx format. I
>> could
>> not open them and did not know what to do until I was inspired last
>> night.
>> I
>> went to the Microsoft website and put a search in for .docx file
>> converter and immediately found that Microsoft has a converter for free
>> that is easy to download and install. I was reading my .docx files
>> within
>> minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also learned that a .docx file is what word for windows 7 uses. It is
>> not immediately compatible with previous versions of word for windows
>> unless one downloads a converter.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, for anyone else who has been perplexed by these files, now you know
>> what to do!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:22:57 -0800
> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52,
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> Hi all: I don't have a Mac but I do have a PC. I am one that believes in
> updating everything at once since sometimes, bugs come up if not
> everything
> is updated at once. I use JAWS 9.0 which works for me. Windows XP is also
> good although I heard that Windows 7 is very good. I have Word 2007 and I
> can open Word 2003 documents just fine. If you want to switch to a Mac,
> look
> at your options and figure out which is the best deal.
> Kendra Schaber
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>> 1. Re: craft patterns in .docx format (David Andrews)
>> 2. Re: craft patterns in .docx format
>> (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
>> 3. computer question (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
>> 4. Re: Bolek and tree kits (Ohio Gardener)
>> 5. Re: Bolek and tree kits (Blindhands at aol.com)
>> 6. Re: computer question (Blindhands at aol.com)
>> 7. Re: computer question (Henrietta Brewer)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:23:55 -0600
>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>> Message-ID: <4EC6BEDB.50808 at visi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> The converter works through Microsoft Word, and once installed
>> automatically allows you to open a DOCX file in earlier versions of word.
>>
>> The link to download the converter is:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=3
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 11/18/2011 6:43 AM, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E] wrote:
>>> How is it going to work if I can not open the original file. To convert
>>> something, the file has to be opened. This is not telling me how the
>>> program works or how to find it.
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blindhands at aol.com [mailto:Blindhands at aol.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:11 PM
>>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>>
>>> Sorry about the file format. I have Word 2010 on my computer. That is
>>> very good to know.
>>>
>>> Terry P. have them put this converter in your computer at work so then
>>> if
>>> you need to open this type of file you will be able to do it.
>>>
>>> Joyce Kane
>>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 8:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I received a couple files from crafters recently in .docx format. I
>>> could not open them and did not know what to do until I was inspired
>>> last night.
>>> I
>>> went to the Microsoft website and put a search in for .docx file
>>> converter and immediately found that Microsoft has a converter for free
>>> that is easy to download and install. I was reading my .docx files
>>> within minutes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I also learned that a .docx file is what word for windows 7 uses. It is
>>> not immediately compatible with previous versions of word for windows
>>> unless one downloads a converter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, for anyone else who has been perplexed by these files, now you know
>>> what
>>> to do!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:15:34 -0500
>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
>> To: "'dandrews at visi.com'" <dandrews at visi.com>, 'List for blind
>> crafters and artists' <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>> Message-ID:
>> <4D33CBF80E0D6040BB226B85E91EA0522543098B09 at NIHMLBX06.nih.gov>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Thanks David and others for the help.
>> I will try it out next week.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Andrews [mailto:dandrews at visi.com]
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:24 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> The converter works through Microsoft Word, and once installed
>> automatically allows you to open a DOCX file in earlier versions of word.
>>
>> The link to download the converter is:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=3
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 11/18/2011 6:43 AM, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E] wrote:
>>> How is it going to work if I can not open the original file. To convert
>>> something, the file has to be opened. This is not telling me how the
>>> program works or how to find it.
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blindhands at aol.com [mailto:Blindhands at aol.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:11 PM
>>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>>
>>> Sorry about the file format. I have Word 2010 on my computer. That is
>>> very good to know.
>>>
>>> Terry P. have them put this converter in your computer at work so then
>>> if
>>> you need to open this type of file you will be able to do it.
>>>
>>> Joyce Kane
>>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 8:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I received a couple files from crafters recently in .docx format. I
>>> could not open them and did not know what to do until I was inspired
>>> last night.
>>> I
>>> went to the Microsoft website and put a search in for .docx file
>>> converter and immediately found that Microsoft has a converter for free
>>> that is easy to download and install. I was reading my .docx files
>>> within minutes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I also learned that a .docx file is what word for windows 7 uses. It is
>>> not immediately compatible with previous versions of word for windows
>>> unless one downloads a converter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, for anyone else who has been perplexed by these files, now you
>>> know what to do!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:29:28 -0500
>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] computer question
>> Message-ID:
>> <4D33CBF80E0D6040BB226B85E91EA0522543098B0B at NIHMLBX06.nih.gov>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have a Mac?
>> I am looking for someone that can tell me how it compairs to using Jaws.
>> A friend of mine, suggested looking into getting a Mac. The speach is
>> built in. No wories about updating Jaws.
>> I will be at work until about 5:00.
>> My home number is 301-916-8549
>> Any help would be great. My sighted friend has a mac and hopefully we
>> can
>> activate the voice on his, to see what it is like.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>>
>> Theresa L. Powers (Terry)
>> Grants Clerk
>> Tobacco Control Research Branch
>> NIH/NCI/DCCPS/BRP/TCRB/DEAS
>> 6130 Executive Blvd, MSC 7337
>> EPN 4039B
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>>
>> Rockville, MD 20852-7337 (express mail)
>>
>> Phone: 301-496-8584
>> FAX: 301-496-8675
>> E-mail: terry.powers at nih.gov<mailto:terry.powers at nih.gov>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:16:52 -0500
>> From: "Ohio Gardener" <flowersandherbs at gmail.com>
>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>> Message-ID: <4ec6d956.907fe70a.52b5.0f95 at mx.google.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Hello Terry, Joyce and Theresa,
>>
>> I wanted to let all of you know that I have figured out what was wrong!
>> It
>> was very simple and demonstrates how just missing a word or two in a
>> class
>> can totally create confusion.
>>
>> What we missed was this: "after you have finished attaching the pins on
>> row
>> one, connect the wires to form a ring. Likewise, when you have finished
>> row
>> two, connect the ends of that wire as well to form a ring, before
>> continuing with row 3."
>>
>> Instead we had the entire tree all three rows of it laid out flat! Once
>> we
>> connected our wires into a circle on rows one and two, it was easy to
>> understand how we could start at the marker pin on row three, because now
>> we
>> were going in a circle and would eventually come round to the other end
>> of
>> the wire.
>>
>> So we have finished redoing the tree and found a few mistakes along the
>> way,
>> (one extra bead, and one wrong sized bead) but we have learned a lot in
>> the
>> process and are much quicker at working with the beads and wire now.
>> also,
>> it is soo much easier to work with the pins in a circle rather then out
>> flat!
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your explanations, we apologize for not catching that
>> crucial detail of the process.
>>
>> Ohio and husband.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:55 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> Ohio;
>> I think I know what your problem is!
>> Your connection, or twist of your wire on row 2 is not in the same place
>> as
>> it is on row three. From what you are saying, the two connections are
>> about
>> 7 pins from each other. That is why we are using the marker pin, so we
>> will
>> know where to start the next row, so the ornament patern will fall in to
>> place. If you have enough pins on each row and they altrinate, like I
>> described in my other e-mail, I think you have it right. There are extra
>> C
>> pins for future rows.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Theresa Taylor [mailto:tct71887 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> Ohio,
>>
>> lol...that was actually Ken. I don't have enough hearing for the regular
>> phone.
>> Terry is correct. You start at that marked C pin and then you will end
>> with
>> a bead right next to it. It is the same amount of pins from the top no
>> matter where you start. The only reason we start there is to keep that
>> pattern going that Terry so nicely described.
>> HOpe this helps and feel free to call back.
>> Theresa
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Ohio Gardener wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to let you all know that I called Bolek today and they
>>> were happy to send me the beads missing from my kit free of charge or
>> shipping.
>>> They said they will send them right out, so I will be good to go.
>>>
>>> Today my husband and I worked on row three of the pins. It was
>>> puzzling to us to find that the directions didn't work out and we
>>> ended up having to adjust the pattern.
>>>
>>> You see what happened was that we had eight pins in row one, and 16 in
>>> row two, then 24 in row three. This made sense to us because row two
>>> had a 1 1 pattern, while row 3 had a 2 and 1 pattern. However, the
>>> perplexity came when the instructions said to begin at the marker pin,
>>> which in our case was seven pins into the row. When we did the pattern
>>> in this way, we ran out of pins in row two to connect with, before we
>>> ran out of c pins. All we could think to do was to start at the
>>> beginning of the row, which enabled us to follow the pattern
>>> correctly. The tree is now looking like a tree, but maybe the color
>> pattern is not quite right.
>>> Another thing we neglected to do until row 3 was completed was to
>>> connect the two ends of row two. Could it be that this was the problem?
>>>
>>> Anyway, If anyone out there can figure out what if anything we are not
>>> understanding, i.e. how we can start in seven pins and still end with
>>> all pins used, please let me know. we will work it over again. I did
>>> talk to Theresa on the phone about this, but I believe I was unable to
>>> explain our puzzlement clearly. I often write better than I speak.
>>>
>>> Also, just as a note from a newbee, I believe I would have preferred
>>> not to have laid the pins out before starting the row. If I'd done the
>>> project alone, it would have been difficult to keep the pins straight
>>> while fooling with the wire, that is even if My cat hadn't been up on
>>> my dining room table, very interested in what we were doing. Taking
>>> them one by one from my bag would have been easier and "safer" for me I
>> believe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>>> Terry
>>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:13 AM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> How many do you need. I have at least 15, maybe more.
>>>
>>> Terry P.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ohio Gardener [mailto:flowersandherbs at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:55 PM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> I really liked Terry P's idea of saving extra kits after a project. I
>>> plan to do this, I have a few large stars and colored beads to start
>>> my collection. Thanks for the tip about putting broken beads in the
>>> center of the pin. however, my broken ones were unusable, but I
>>> substituted large stars and hope they will fit into the tree. My other
>>> option is to short a few other E pins, so I can have close to the amount
>> needed.
>>>
>>> Which option is preferable, larger star substitutes or shorting other
>>> E pins?
>>>
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol
>>> Schnip
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:44 PM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> I To had many of the stars that were broken. But since whe did not
>>> have a lot of the beads I did what I could and put one broken one one
>>> close to where the pin is in the center of the tree. I did have a
>>> pack of beads missing about 15 of the larger star beads and five of
>>> the pins. They are replaceing the missing beads and pins. But if I am
>>> going to make another I think I will gather the beads. That way if I
>>> miss any it will be me to blame. lol Hugs all CarolAnn
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:28:25 -0500 (EST)
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>> Message-ID: <5b541.65edd470.3bf85229 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Dear Ohio and husband,
>>
>> I am very happy to hear it is going well now. I know we use the term
>> row
>> and I will say that is true on all the safety pin projects that I have
>> made
>> so far, that you work one at a time and the directions usually say: twist
>> ends together tight and trim off excess. We do suggest that you don't
>> trim
>> it off until you work down a couple of rows and go back and retighten
>> that
>> top row. It gives you a chance to touch it and feel it to be sure you
>> have
>> not missed working a pin or that any pin is going in the wrong
>> direction.
>> If we had sight maybe by looking we could pick those up faster. If you
>> missed working a pin and you already trimmed that excess wire off, it
>> can
>> be
>> a real chalenge going back and adding the pin and bead. As when you do
>> that you are using more spacing on the wire and you may not have enough
>> to
>> reach the end and twist together. [Then you will have to piece in
>> another
>> piece of wire to finish the row. Been there done that.]
>>
>>
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/18/2011 5:43:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello Terry, Joyce and Theresa,
>>
>> I wanted to let all of you know that I have figured out what was wrong!
>> It
>> was very simple and demonstrates how just missing a word or two in a
>> class
>> can totally create confusion.
>>
>> What we missed was this: "after you have finished attaching the pins on
>> row
>> one, connect the wires to form a ring. Likewise, when you have finished
>> row
>> two, connect the ends of that wire as well to form a ring, before
>> continuing with row 3."
>>
>> Instead we had the entire tree all three rows of it laid out flat! Once
>> we
>> connected our wires into a circle on rows one and two, it was easy to
>> understand how we could start at the marker pin on row three, because
>> now
>> we
>> were going in a circle and would eventually come round to the other end
>> of
>> the wire.
>>
>> So we have finished redoing the tree and found a few mistakes along the
>> way,
>> (one extra bead, and one wrong sized bead) but we have learned a lot in
>> the
>> process and are much quicker at working with the beads and wire now.
>> also,
>> it is soo much easier to work with the pins in a circle rather then out
>> flat!
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your explanations, we apologize for not catching that
>> crucial detail of the process.
>>
>> Ohio and husband.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:55 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> Ohio;
>> I think I know what your problem is!
>> Your connection, or twist of your wire on row 2 is not in the same place
>> as
>> it is on row three. From what you are saying, the two connections are
>> about
>> 7 pins from each other. That is why we are using the marker pin, so we
>> will
>> know where to start the next row, so the ornament patern will fall in to
>> place. If you have enough pins on each row and they altrinate, like I
>> described in my other e-mail, I think you have it right. There are
>> extra
>> C
>> pins for future rows.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Theresa Taylor [mailto:tct71887 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> Ohio,
>>
>> lol...that was actually Ken. I don't have enough hearing for the regular
>> phone.
>> Terry is correct. You start at that marked C pin and then you will end
>> with
>> a bead right next to it. It is the same amount of pins from the top no
>> matter where you start. The only reason we start there is to keep that
>> pattern going that Terry so nicely described.
>> HOpe this helps and feel free to call back.
>> Theresa
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Ohio Gardener wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to let you all know that I called Bolek today and they
>>> were happy to send me the beads missing from my kit free of charge or
>> shipping.
>>> They said they will send them right out, so I will be good to go.
>>>
>>> Today my husband and I worked on row three of the pins. It was
>>> puzzling to us to find that the directions didn't work out and we
>>> ended up having to adjust the pattern.
>>>
>>> You see what happened was that we had eight pins in row one, and 16 in
>>> row two, then 24 in row three. This made sense to us because row two
>>> had a 1 1 pattern, while row 3 had a 2 and 1 pattern. However, the
>>> perplexity came when the instructions said to begin at the marker pin,
>>> which in our case was seven pins into the row. When we did the pattern
>>> in this way, we ran out of pins in row two to connect with, before we
>>> ran out of c pins. All we could think to do was to start at the
>>> beginning of the row, which enabled us to follow the pattern
>>> correctly. The tree is now looking like a tree, but maybe the color
>> pattern is not quite right.
>>> Another thing we neglected to do until row 3 was completed was to
>>> connect the two ends of row two. Could it be that this was the
>>> problem?
>>>
>>> Anyway, If anyone out there can figure out what if anything we are not
>>> understanding, i.e. how we can start in seven pins and still end with
>>> all pins used, please let me know. we will work it over again. I did
>>> talk to Theresa on the phone about this, but I believe I was unable to
>>> explain our puzzlement clearly. I often write better than I speak.
>>>
>>> Also, just as a note from a newbee, I believe I would have preferred
>>> not to have laid the pins out before starting the row. If I'd done the
>>> project alone, it would have been difficult to keep the pins straight
>>> while fooling with the wire, that is even if My cat hadn't been up on
>>> my dining room table, very interested in what we were doing. Taking
>>> them one by one from my bag would have been easier and "safer" for me I
>> believe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>>> Terry
>>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:13 AM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> How many do you need. I have at least 15, maybe more.
>>>
>>> Terry P.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ohio Gardener [mailto:flowersandherbs at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:55 PM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> I really liked Terry P's idea of saving extra kits after a project. I
>>> plan to do this, I have a few large stars and colored beads to start
>>> my collection. Thanks for the tip about putting broken beads in the
>>> center of the pin. however, my broken ones were unusable, but I
>>> substituted large stars and hope they will fit into the tree. My other
>>> option is to short a few other E pins, so I can have close to the
>>> amount
>> needed.
>>>
>>> Which option is preferable, larger star substitutes or shorting other
>>> E pins?
>>>
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol
>>> Schnip
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:44 PM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> I To had many of the stars that were broken. But since whe did not
>>> have a lot of the beads I did what I could and put one broken one one
>>> close to where the pin is in the center of the tree. I did have a
>>> pack of beads missing about 15 of the larger star beads and five of
>>> the pins. They are replaceing the missing beads and pins. But if I am
>>> going to make another I think I will gather the beads. That way if I
>>> miss any it will be me to blame. lol Hugs all CarolAnn
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:50:04 -0500 (EST)
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] computer question
>> Message-ID: <5c181.204d065d.3bf8573c at aol.com>
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>> This is just my opinion. If you have been a JAWS user for a long time
>> and use it frequently changing to anything will take time to learn. So
>> that
>> part is up to how willing you are to learn new things.
>>
>> The second part of my opinion is upgrades come for JAWS usually on an
>> annual basis. So changes for JAWS screenreading program and the
>> development
>> of this program is being addressed by Freedom Scientific all the time.
>>
>> Apple put the effort into making their computers with voice over which is
>> fantastic, but their development teams are improving the whole computer
>> annually and not just concentrating on the voice over part of the
>> machine. I
>> am not sure how often Apple comes out with upgrades that are a software
>> upgrade or if upgrades are made for newly manufactured Apple computers
>> only.
>>
>> So if the above is the case if you plan to purchase a new computer
>> every
>> few years then there are your considerations.
>>
>> I wish I could afford to buy one of those new Mac computers I have played
>> with them in Best buy. I am willing to put in the time and effort of
>> learning so I would have the knowledge of using both computers, but I
>> took
>> the
>> cheaper way out the beginning of this year and bought a regular PC.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/18/2011 4:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> Terry.Powers at nih.gov writes:
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have a Mac?
>> I am looking for someone that can tell me how it compairs to using Jaws.
>> A friend of mine, suggested looking into getting a Mac. The speach is
>> built in. No wories about updating Jaws.
>> I will be at work until about 5:00.
>> My home number is 301-916-8549
>> Any help would be great. My sighted friend has a mac and hopefully we
>> can
>> activate the voice on his, to see what it is like.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>>
>> Theresa L. Powers (Terry)
>> Grants Clerk
>> Tobacco Control Research Branch
>> NIH/NCI/DCCPS/BRP/TCRB/DEAS
>> 6130 Executive Blvd, MSC 7337
>> EPN 4039B
>> Bethesda, MD 20892-7337
>>
>> Rockville, MD 20852-7337 (express mail)
>>
>> Phone: 301-496-8584
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:07:18 -0500
>> From: Henrietta Brewer <gary.brewer at comcast.net>
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] computer question
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>> Hi Terry and all,
>> I am a Mac user now. I am not sure how I would do on a windows product
>> with windoweyes now. lol I did take lessons to learn the Mac. But I love
>> it. Yes, there are occassional upgrades to Voice over. Usually the Mac
>> upgrades help "vo" work better.
>>
>> I needed to buy the new windoweyes when I got this computer. So the Apple
>> was a better deal for me.
>>
>> Henrietta
>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Blindhands at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> This is just my opinion. If you have been a JAWS user for a long time
>>> and use it frequently changing to anything will take time to learn. So
>>> that
>>> part is up to how willing you are to learn new things.
>>>
>>> The second part of my opinion is upgrades come for JAWS usually on an
>>> annual basis. So changes for JAWS screenreading program and the
>>> development
>>> of this program is being addressed by Freedom Scientific all the time.
>>>
>>> Apple put the effort into making their computers with voice over which
>>> is
>>> fantastic, but their development teams are improving the whole computer
>>> annually and not just concentrating on the voice over part of the
>>> machine. I
>>> am not sure how often Apple comes out with upgrades that are a software
>>> upgrade or if upgrades are made for newly manufactured Apple computers
>>> only.
>>>
>>> So if the above is the case if you plan to purchase a new computer
>>> every
>>> few years then there are your considerations.
>>>
>>> I wish I could afford to buy one of those new Mac computers I have
>>> played
>>> with them in Best buy. I am willing to put in the time and effort of
>>> learning so I would have the knowledge of using both computers, but I
>>> took the
>>> cheaper way out the beginning of this year and bought a regular PC.
>>>
>>> Joyce Kane
>>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/18/2011 4:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> Terry.Powers at nih.gov writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a Mac?
>>> I am looking for someone that can tell me how it compairs to using
>>> Jaws.
>>> A friend of mine, suggested looking into getting a Mac. The speach is
>>> built in. No wories about updating Jaws.
>>> I will be at work until about 5:00.
>>> My home number is 301-916-8549
>>> Any help would be great. My sighted friend has a mac and hopefully we
>>> can
>>> activate the voice on his, to see what it is like.
>>>
>>> Terry P.
>>>
>>>
>>> Theresa L. Powers (Terry)
>>> Grants Clerk
>>> Tobacco Control Research Branch
>>> NIH/NCI/DCCPS/BRP/TCRB/DEAS
>>> 6130 Executive Blvd, MSC 7337
>>> EPN 4039B
>>> Bethesda, MD 20892-7337
>>>
>>> Rockville, MD 20852-7337 (express mail)
>>>
>>> Phone: 301-496-8584
>>> FAX: 301-496-8675
>>> E-mail: terry.powers at nih.gov<mailto:terry.powers at nih.gov>
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:22:35 -0500
> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
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> Congratulations on figuring it out. Some items are created in a circlular
> form, like the tree. Some can form a square or a rectangle, some can be
> even be formed into shapes, such as a heart. Some items, such as our sun
> catcher, are created, on a circular foundation, but you create a flat item
> that looks like a flower, to me. You will find that it is a very creative
> craft. The snow flakes, I have learned to make, are round, but flat and
> have tecture, because I use different sized paddle beads.
> Hope this all makes sence.
> Terry P.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ohio Gardener [mailto:flowersandherbs at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:17 PM
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>
> Hello Terry, Joyce and Theresa,
>
> I wanted to let all of you know that I have figured out what was wrong! It
> was very simple and demonstrates how just missing a word or two in a class
> can totally create confusion.
>
> What we missed was this: "after you have finished attaching the pins on
> row one, connect the wires to form a ring. Likewise, when you have
> finished row two, connect the ends of that wire as well to form a ring,
> before continuing with row 3."
>
> Instead we had the entire tree all three rows of it laid out flat! Once we
> connected our wires into a circle on rows one and two, it was easy to
> understand how we could start at the marker pin on row three, because now
> we were going in a circle and would eventually come round to the other end
> of the wire.
>
> So we have finished redoing the tree and found a few mistakes along the
> way, (one extra bead, and one wrong sized bead) but we have learned a lot
> in the process and are much quicker at working with the beads and wire
> now. also, it is soo much easier to work with the pins in a circle rather
> then out flat!
>
>
> Thank you all for your explanations, we apologize for not catching that
> crucial detail of the process.
>
> Ohio and husband.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers, Terry
> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:55 AM
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>
> Ohio;
> I think I know what your problem is!
> Your connection, or twist of your wire on row 2 is not in the same place
> as it is on row three. From what you are saying, the two connections are
> about
> 7 pins from each other. That is why we are using the marker pin, so we
> will know where to start the next row, so the ornament patern will fall in
> to place. If you have enough pins on each row and they altrinate, like I
> described in my other e-mail, I think you have it right. There are extra
> C pins for future rows.
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Theresa Taylor [mailto:tct71887 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>
> Ohio,
>
> lol...that was actually Ken. I don't have enough hearing for the regular
> phone.
> Terry is correct. You start at that marked C pin and then you will end
> with a bead right next to it. It is the same amount of pins from the top
> no matter where you start. The only reason we start there is to keep that
> pattern going that Terry so nicely described.
> HOpe this helps and feel free to call back.
> Theresa
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Ohio Gardener wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Just wanted to let you all know that I called Bolek today and they
>> were happy to send me the beads missing from my kit free of charge or
> shipping.
>> They said they will send them right out, so I will be good to go.
>>
>> Today my husband and I worked on row three of the pins. It was
>> puzzling to us to find that the directions didn't work out and we
>> ended up having to adjust the pattern.
>>
>> You see what happened was that we had eight pins in row one, and 16 in
>> row two, then 24 in row three. This made sense to us because row two
>> had a 1 1 pattern, while row 3 had a 2 and 1 pattern. However, the
>> perplexity came when the instructions said to begin at the marker pin,
>> which in our case was seven pins into the row. When we did the pattern
>> in this way, we ran out of pins in row two to connect with, before we
>> ran out of c pins. All we could think to do was to start at the
>> beginning of the row, which enabled us to follow the pattern
>> correctly. The tree is now looking like a tree, but maybe the color
> pattern is not quite right.
>> Another thing we neglected to do until row 3 was completed was to
>> connect the two ends of row two. Could it be that this was the problem?
>>
>> Anyway, If anyone out there can figure out what if anything we are not
>> understanding, i.e. how we can start in seven pins and still end with
>> all pins used, please let me know. we will work it over again. I did
>> talk to Theresa on the phone about this, but I believe I was unable to
>> explain our puzzlement clearly. I often write better than I speak.
>>
>> Also, just as a note from a newbee, I believe I would have preferred
>> not to have laid the pins out before starting the row. If I'd done the
>> project alone, it would have been difficult to keep the pins straight
>> while fooling with the wire, that is even if My cat hadn't been up on
>> my dining room table, very interested in what we were doing. Taking
>> them one by one from my bag would have been easier and "safer" for me
>> I
> believe.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:13 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> How many do you need. I have at least 15, maybe more.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ohio Gardener [mailto:flowersandherbs at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:55 PM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I really liked Terry P's idea of saving extra kits after a project. I
>> plan to do this, I have a few large stars and colored beads to start
>> my collection. Thanks for the tip about putting broken beads in the
>> center of the pin. however, my broken ones were unusable, but I
>> substituted large stars and hope they will fit into the tree. My other
>> option is to short a few other E pins, so I can have close to the
>> amount
> needed.
>>
>> Which option is preferable, larger star substitutes or shorting other
>> E pins?
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol
>> Schnip
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:44 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I To had many of the stars that were broken. But since whe did not
>> have a lot of the beads I did what I could and put one broken one one
>> close to where the pin is in the center of the tree. I did have a
>> pack of beads missing about 15 of the larger star beads and five of
>> the pins. They are replaceing the missing beads and pins. But if I am
>> going to make another I think I will gather the beads. That way if I
>> miss any it will be me to blame. lol Hugs all CarolAnn
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:01:10 -0500
> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
> To: 'Jean Parker' <radioforever at gmail.com>, 'List for blind crafters
> and artists' <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] safety pin projects
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> Jean;
> Depending on Theresa's health, we might be making snow men, in January.
> We are in the middle of a crystal Christmas tree class. How long will you
> be in the US?
>
> Terry Powers
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean Parker [mailto:radioforever at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:55 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] safety pin projects
>
> Hi Theresa and All:
> Are there going to be any more safety pin classes held this year? I am in
> the US for some time and can attend a class on the phone. I have done
> quite a few things on my own but it would be so much fun to attend a
> class!
>
> Jean
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:04:10 -0500
> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52,
> Issue 22
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> Tonight is an open chat. We do not have a spacific topic. I do not know
> what your other question is about. I guess it has something to do with
> digest or an error message.
>
> Terry P.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kendra Schaber [mailto:Baltimore777 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 7:07 PM
> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52,
> Issue 22
>
> Hi all: What was the issue Vol52 Issue 21 about? My computer couldn't
> handle it for my screen reader to read it. Also, what is going to be this
> coming Monday's topic on the phone confrence call? I have not heard
> anything about it. Thank you!
> Kendra Schaber
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:00 AM
> Subject: Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 52, Issue 22
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>> 1. Re: Bolek and tree kits (Denise Shaible)
>> 2. Re: craft patterns in .docx format
>> (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
>> 3. Re: Bolek and tree kits (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
>> 4. Re: craft patterns in .docx format (Dixie)
>> 5. Re: craft patterns in .docx format
>> (Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E])
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:44:12 -0800
>> From: "Denise Shaible" <denise.shaible at att.net>
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
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>>
>> Joyce,
>>
>> I'm glad you mentioned the colors. I don't know If I ever had that
>> many different colored ornaments on my tree. I've had lots of colored
>> lights but not ornaments. I was thinking the very thing you said. I
>> mean, just making one or two colors. When I get more practice with
>> safety pin beading, maybe I'll try that. I'm sure it would look very
>> nice. It sounds like one can get creative even with a kit.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Denise
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:42 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I will say it is best to finish off by twisting wire tight before
>> going to next row. It completes the row and gives you more of a
>> circle shape to followwhen doing the next row. It is easy to pick up
>> the wrong pin from the previous row. I do know that for sure as I
>> have made mistakes and instead
>> of undoing a entire row, I have cut the wire in 2 consecutive rows to
>> fix
>> a mistake. I don't advise you doing that until you have more
>> practice under your belt.
>>
>> Now for the starting on #7 pin. It will still be adding the 24 pins
>> in a
>> 2 pins and then previous row tthen 1 pin and previous row. It is
>> starting off on that C pin to just stagger the colored pins into a
>> different pattern texture. I am saying texture as the pins have the
>> colored bead coming at different levels on each pin and I am guessing
>> it does it to shift it up and down as you would put ornaments on a
>> tree.
>>
>> Now as Theresa did say she is reading the pattern the way Bolek has
>> written it. There is no reason why you can't put them on another
>> order. That way is your original creation. Just as we said in the
>> class, it would be good to do it in green and the colored beads. You
>> can purchase all the things you got in the kit as lights, star, pins,
>> beads. You just have to purchase the items in the amounts that they
>> sell the bags and supplies.
>> So
>> you
>> might have to purchase more then you need, but it is always good to
>> have extra ones on hand.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 4:36:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Just wanted to let you all know that I called Bolek today and they
>> were happy to send me the beads missing from my kit free of charge or
>> shipping.
>> They said they will send them right out, so I will be good to go.
>>
>> Today my husband and I worked on row three of the pins. It was
>> puzzling to us to find that the directions didn't work out and we
>> ended up having to adjust the pattern.
>>
>> You see what happened was that we had eight pins in row one, and 16
>> in row two, then 24 in row three. This made sense to us because row
>> two had a 1
>> 1
>> pattern, while row 3 had a 2 and 1 pattern. However, the perplexity
>> came when the instructions said to begin at the marker pin, which in
>> our case was seven pins into the row. When we did the pattern in this
>> way, we ran out of pins in row two to connect with, before we ran out
>> of c pins. All we could think to do was to start at the beginning of
>> the row, which enabled us to follow the pattern correctly. The tree
>> is now looking like a tree, but maybe the color pattern is not quite
>> right.
>> Another thing we neglected to do until row 3 was completed was to
>> connect the two ends of row two. Could it be that this was the problem?
>>
>> Anyway, If anyone out there can figure out what if anything we are
>> not understanding, i.e. how we can start in seven pins and still end
>> with all pins used, please let me know. we will work it over again. I
>> did talk to Theresa on the phone about this, but I believe I was
>> unable to explain our puzzlement clearly. I often write better than I
>> speak.
>>
>> Also, just as a note from a newbee, I believe I would have preferred
>> not to have laid the pins out before starting the row. If I'd done
>> the project alone, it would have been difficult to keep the pins
>> straight while fooling with the wire, that is even if My cat hadn't
>> been up on my dining room table, very interested in what we were
>> doing. Taking them one by one from my bag would have been easier and
>> "safer" for me I believe.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:13 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> How many do you need. I have at least 15, maybe more.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ohio Gardener [mailto:flowersandherbs at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:55 PM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I really liked Terry P's idea of saving extra kits after a project. I
>> plan to do this, I have a few large stars and colored beads to start
>> my collection. Thanks for the tip about putting broken beads in the
>> center of the pin. however, my broken ones were unusable, but I
>> substituted large stars and hope they will fit into the tree. My
>> other option is to short a few other E pins, so I can have close to
>> the amount needed.
>>
>> Which option is preferable, larger star substitutes or shorting other
>> E pins?
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol
>> Schnip
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:44 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> I To had many of the stars that were broken. But since whe did not
>> have a lot of the beads I did what I could and put one broken one one
>> close to where the pin is in the center of the tree. I did have a
>> pack of beads missing about 15 of the larger star beads and five of
>> the pins. They are replaceing the missing beads and pins. But if I
>> am going to make another I think I will gather the beads. That way if
>> I miss any it will be me to blame. lol Hugs all CarolAnn
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:43:42 -0500
>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>> Message-ID:
>> <4D33CBF80E0D6040BB226B85E91EA0522543098AF9 at NIHMLBX06.nih.gov>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> How is it going to work if I can not open the original file. To
>> convert something, the file has to be opened. This is not telling me
>> how the program works or how to find it.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com [mailto:Blindhands at aol.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:11 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> Sorry about the file format. I have Word 2010 on my computer. That is
>> very good to know.
>>
>> Terry P. have them put this converter in your computer at work so then
>> if you need to open this type of file you will be able to do it.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 8:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I received a couple files from crafters recently in .docx format. I
>> could not open them and did not know what to do until I was inspired
>> last night.
>> I
>> went to the Microsoft website and put a search in for .docx file
>> converter and immediately found that Microsoft has a converter for
>> free that is easy to download and install. I was reading my .docx
>> files within minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also learned that a .docx file is what word for windows 7 uses. It
>> is not immediately compatible with previous versions of word for
>> windows unless one downloads a converter.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, for anyone else who has been perplexed by these files, now you
>> know what to do!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:55:14 -0500
>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>> Message-ID:
>> <4D33CBF80E0D6040BB226B85E91EA0522543098AFA at NIHMLBX06.nih.gov>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Ohio;
>> I think I know what your problem is!
>> Your connection, or twist of your wire on row 2 is not in the same
>> place as it is on row three. From what you are saying, the two
>> connections are about 7 pins from each other. That is why we are
>> using the marker pin, so we will know where to start the next row, so
>> the ornament patern will fall in to place. If you have enough pins on
>> each row and they altrinate, like I described in my other e-mail, I
>> think you have it right. There are extra C pins for future rows.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Theresa Taylor [mailto:tct71887 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>
>> Ohio,
>>
>> lol...that was actually Ken. I don't have enough hearing for the
>> regular phone.
>> Terry is correct. You start at that marked C pin and then you will end
>> with a bead right next to it. It is the same amount of pins from the
>> top no matter where you start. The only reason we start there is to
>> keep that pattern going that Terry so nicely described.
>> HOpe this helps and feel free to call back.
>> Theresa
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Ohio Gardener wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to let you all know that I called Bolek today and they
>>> were happy to send me the beads missing from my kit free of charge or
>>> shipping.
>>> They said they will send them right out, so I will be good to go.
>>>
>>> Today my husband and I worked on row three of the pins. It was
>>> puzzling to us to find that the directions didn't work out and we
>>> ended up having to adjust the pattern.
>>>
>>> You see what happened was that we had eight pins in row one, and 16
>>> in row two, then 24 in row three. This made sense to us because row
>>> two had a 1 1 pattern, while row 3 had a 2 and 1 pattern. However,
>>> the perplexity came when the instructions said to begin at the marker
>>> pin, which in our case was seven pins into the row. When we did the
>>> pattern in this way, we ran out of pins in row two to connect with,
>>> before we ran out of c pins. All we could think to do was to start at
>>> the beginning of the row, which enabled us to follow the pattern
>>> correctly. The tree is now looking like a tree, but maybe the color
>>> pattern is not quite right.
>>> Another thing we neglected to do until row 3 was completed was to
>>> connect the two ends of row two. Could it be that this was the problem?
>>>
>>> Anyway, If anyone out there can figure out what if anything we are
>>> not understanding, i.e. how we can start in seven pins and still end
>>> with all pins used, please let me know. we will work it over again. I
>>> did talk to Theresa on the phone about this, but I believe I was
>>> unable to explain our puzzlement clearly. I often write better than I
>>> speak.
>>>
>>> Also, just as a note from a newbee, I believe I would have preferred
>>> not to have laid the pins out before starting the row. If I'd done
>>> the project alone, it would have been difficult to keep the pins
>>> straight while fooling with the wire, that is even if My cat hadn't
>>> been up on my dining room table, very interested in what we were
>>> doing. Taking them one by one from my bag would have been easier and
>>> "safer" for me I believe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>>> Terry
>>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:13 AM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> How many do you need. I have at least 15, maybe more.
>>>
>>> Terry P.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ohio Gardener [mailto:flowersandherbs at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:55 PM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> I really liked Terry P's idea of saving extra kits after a project. I
>>> plan to do this, I have a few large stars and colored beads to start
>>> my collection. Thanks for the tip about putting broken beads in the
>>> center of the pin. however, my broken ones were unusable, but I
>>> substituted large stars and hope they will fit into the tree. My
>>> other option is to short a few other E pins, so I can have close to
>>> the amount needed.
>>>
>>> Which option is preferable, larger star substitutes or shorting other
>>> E pins?
>>>
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol
>>> Schnip
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:44 PM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Bolek and tree kits
>>>
>>> I To had many of the stars that were broken. But since whe did not
>>> have a lot of the beads I did what I could and put one broken one one
>>> close to where the pin is in the center of the tree. I did have a
>>> pack of beads missing about 15 of the larger star beads and five of
>>> the pins. They are replaceing the missing beads and pins. But if I
>>> am going to make another I think I will gather the beads. That way
>>> if I miss any it will be me to blame. lol Hugs all CarolAnn
>>>
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:08:25 -0500
>> From: "Dixie" <blueherons at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>> Message-ID: <00ae01cca5f3$28d70d40$7a8527c0$@sbcglobal.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Terry,
>>
>> If you need something converted send it to me and I will convert it
>> for you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dixie
>> ~ @-> ~ <-@ ~
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:44 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> How is it going to work if I can not open the original file. To
>> convert something, the file has to be opened. This is not telling me
>> how the program works or how to find it.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com [mailto:Blindhands at aol.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:11 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> Sorry about the file format. I have Word 2010 on my computer. That is
>> very good to know.
>>
>> Terry P. have them put this converter in your computer at work so then
>> if you need to open this type of file you will be able to do it.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 8:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I received a couple files from crafters recently in .docx format. I
>> could not open them and did not know what to do until I was inspired
>> last night.
>> I
>> went to the Microsoft website and put a search in for .docx file
>> converter and immediately found that Microsoft has a converter for
>> free that is easy to download and install. I was reading my .docx
>> files within minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also learned that a .docx file is what word for windows 7 uses. It
>> is not immediately compatible with previous versions of word for
>> windows unless one downloads a converter.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, for anyone else who has been perplexed by these files, now you
>> know what to do!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:23:10 -0500
>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Thanks Dixie. What is your last name and your phone number if you
>> want, so I can add you to my address book.
>>
>> Terry P.
>>
>> Terry.powers at nih.gov
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dixie [mailto:blueherons at sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:08 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> Terry,
>>
>> If you need something converted send it to me and I will convert it
>> for you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dixie
>> ~ @-> ~ <-@ ~
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers,
>> Terry
>> (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:44 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> How is it going to work if I can not open the original file. To
>> convert something, the file has to be opened. This is not telling me
>> how the program works or how to find it.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindhands at aol.com [mailto:Blindhands at aol.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:11 PM
>> To: nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] craft patterns in .docx format
>>
>> Sorry about the file format. I have Word 2010 on my computer. That is
>> very good to know.
>>
>> Terry P. have them put this converter in your computer at work so then
>> if you need to open this type of file you will be able to do it.
>>
>> Joyce Kane
>> _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/17/2011 8:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> flowersandherbs at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I received a couple files from crafters recently in .docx format. I
>> could not open them and did not know what to do until I was inspired
>> last night.
>> I
>> went to the Microsoft website and put a search in for .docx file
>> converter and immediately found that Microsoft has a converter for
>> free that is easy to download and install. I was reading my .docx
>> files within minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also learned that a .docx file is what word for windows 7 uses. It
>> is not immediately compatible with previous versions of word for
>> windows unless one downloads a converter.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, for anyone else who has been perplexed by these files, now you
>> know what to do!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>
>>
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