[Nfb-krafters-korner] List is slow So I will complain

Liz masterspanishteacher2306 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 2 13:45:26 UTC 2016 

Hello annette, 

My idea was to add these things tot he toolkit if they were found to be appropriate. 
I’m glad of your recent experiences with Skype and Jaws, as I don’t use Jaws due to switching to a Mac. 
I do have access to a  PC and Jaws 16 or 17, along with a copy of NVDA were I to help. 
I can confirm that Skype is still quite accessible on the iPhone as I use both a personal account and business one on it on a daily basis. 
Of course, these things should be tested before we dream of holding a class or anything serious. It’s also important that everyone feels comfortable using the tools. 
As it is,  international students could call the teleconference number using Skype. 
Hangouts works fairly well on the Mac. In fact, I recently did a teleconference and shared my screen using it. 
It’s accessible ont ehIphone as well. 
Should we learn that these tools are not suitable for any reason, then they are not the right ones for the job. 
If people want to explore this further, I’d be happy to help s I can and will accept any in return. 

May we teach and learn from each other, 
Liz

> On Jul 2, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Annette Carr via Nfb-krafters-korner <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Liz,
> 
> I think it is probably worth our time and efforts to explore tools like
> Skype and Google Hang-Out.  I have used Skype on my PC with JAWS17 within
> the past few months and found it to be fairly accessible, although not
> perfect.  It has been quite some time since I've used it on my iPhone, so I
> cannot confirm that it is still accessible with Voice Over.  Let me be
> clear, that I am not talking about Skype for Business as that is far from
> accessible.  About 6 months ago I used Google Hang-Out on my iPhone.
> Although I needed help getting my account set up, after that I was able to
> control the actual video call independently with Voice Over.  I used it to
> participate in my friends knitting group during the snow storm last January.
> I had wished I had try to set it up on my computer as I could not prop up my
> iPhone so that I kept myself in the viewing area of the camera as we were
> using the video conference feature.  Everyone was showing off their projects
> and asking for opinions on which yarns to use for there next project.  It
> was a very nice experience.  
> 
> I think looking at these tools are a benefit for opening up access to our
> international members.  While the video feature is the widest used aspect of
> these tools, I think there is an audio chat as well.  A few of us might
> consider doing a test to see how difficult it is to set up and use.  If we
> find that it works and it is accessible, then we could do a Monday Night
> Chat about it.  The next step would be to do a casual chat using the tool
> before we ever consider using it for a class or topic specific chat.  Of
> course if we look at these tools and we find that they are not accessible,
> then it is not the time to think of how to incorporate them into what we do
> here at Krafter's Korner.  
> 
> Annette
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-krafters-korner [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Liz via Nfb-krafters-korner
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:41 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Cc: Liz
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] List is slow So I will complain
> 
> Hi Terry, 
> 
> You have the right to choose the teaching style that works of you just as
> students have choices about taking your classes. 
> What about teleconferencing like Skype or Google hangouts? 
> 
> Liz
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Annette Carr via Nfb-krafters-korner
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Terry K and All,
>> 
>> There is nothing wrong with you making a personal decision to only 
>> teach telephone classes.  Just as students have their own learning 
>> styles, teachers have their own teaching style.  Do what works for you 
>> as that will make you the best teacher that you can be.
>> 
>> I have taught both telephone and e-mail classes.  I like having the 
>> option to choose which technique works for how I teach a specific 
>> topic.  As a student, I like having the variety of telephone verses e-mail
> classes.
>> Sometimes an e-mail class fits into my schedule better, and other 
>> times I might feel that the best way for me to learn something new is 
>> via a phone class.
>> 
>> I do not get worked up about not being able to take a class.  Maybe 
>> there is not a topic being taught that I want to learn, or maybe I 
>> just can't fit a class into my schedule.  I am appreciative and 
>> thankful for the wide range of knowledge and support that is here at 
>> Krafters Korner.  I hope we can keep trying new things so that we can 
>> continue to be diverse and inclusive in so many ways.  Who would have 
>> thought that we could have a virtual holiday party, but the creative
> energy of this group pulled it off.
>> 
>> Annette
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfb-krafters-korner 
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Terry 
>> Knox via Nfb-krafters-korner
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:00 PM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Cc: Terry Knox
>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] List is slow So I will complain
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have to voice my opinion. I know others will not agree, but that is 
>> why Beyer's makes many flavors, so bear with me. June was the first 
>> time in 8 years I have even taught an email class and I did not like 
>> it at all. So for all my past students, Sorry, I will not do it again. 
>> I like hearing all those voices behind the class line and getting the 
>> feeling that some of you did not understand or get my instructions. I 
>> like hearing the comments and other people who give me their opinions 
>> or other ideas on how to do it differently. I know after the class I 
>> got to speak with new members and hear the voices of those I only 
>> speak with on list. I understand this is the new world and most people 
>> like this, but I just Do Not. I will teach the market bag by email but 
>> reconsidering the little girl purse in August, have not make decision 
>> yet. I always follow up my class with written instructions but I 
>> personally feel that most people only take the email class to save and 
>> file it for later and that becomes a UFO also. Most of you do not 
>> realize how much time is taken to write and try to print the lesson 
>> with all the turns and twist just to put it on list and have it filed. 
>> I believe it is like writing a book, your patterns get put into a 
>> shelf and never looked at unless needed. So, if you want to do a craft 
>> and I am presenting it you will have to come to class and learn it at 
>> that time. I will try to keep my classes to the one to one and one half
> hour time and I will try to keep them fun and enjoyable for all, but, sorry,
> no more email classes for me.
>> 
>> Terry Knox
>> 
>> 
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