[Nfb-or] [k7uij at panix.com: RE: [RoseCity] Starting a new chapter]

Tue Sep 13 04:22:27 UTC 2011

It was Art Stevenson's suggestion that we start a new chapter.

Joseph

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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:18:00 -0700
From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'T. Joseph Carter'" <tjcarter at spiritsubstance.com>
Cc: artds55 at comcast.net
Subject: RE: [Nfb-or] [RoseCity] Starting a new chapter
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Joseph:

The message below is out of line and uncalled-for on this list.

In the end, it's up to Art Stevenson. But were I he, I'd say not NO but HELL NO. If you guys/gals aren't sufficiently mature to work together in the Movement, then you haven't learned enough to deserve it. You're making like you're three and running to mommy saying you won't play in Johnny's sandbox because you don't like him. Tough!

If you'd work *with* Jim rather than against him and get over your petty shit, the Rose City chapter might get somewhere. Frankly, I can remember when it had forty members regularly attending -- this was thirty years ago. The apathy far predates Jim or even Jerry.

Put your shoulder to the wheel and shove. Kwritcherbitchin!

Mike Freeman

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-or-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-or-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:59 PM
To: Rose City chapter
Cc: nfb-or at nfbnet.org; blindbob at dishmail.com
Subject: Re: [Nfb-or] [RoseCity] Starting a new chapter

Joyce,

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it isn't up to you.

Half of the officers are ready to walk out.

More than half of the members who actually come to meetings are ready to say goodbye to the NFB.  How can you, who hasn't been to a single meeting in more than a year, BECAUSE OF JIM JACKSON, just like the rest of us, tell us that we have to either put up with his crap (which includes election tampering), or leave the Federation?

I'll lay it out right now: There are three options right now from my
perspective:

1. Jim Jackson is no longer president of the Rose City Chapter.

2. I am in a different chapter.

3. I am done, period.  Find a new treasurer, list moderator, and whatever else.

I have done an awful lot for this chapter in two years, and Jerry and I have together done all of the work of cleaning up after Jim's messes since DECEMBER.  We are tired of doing it, but we can't oust him because HE RIGS THE DAMNED ELECTIONS.  You know it as well as I do, so let's not even pretend it has not happened.

How many members need to leave because of Jim's antics before you and the rest of the board will do something about it?  I will not serve in this chapter any longer without even the chance of removing Jim in November.  Frankly, I no longer think that's going to happen, because too many people have already said they will not come to any meeting so long as he remains in charge of the chapter.

Joseph

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 07:13:24PM -0700, Joyce Green wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I seriously question whether starting another chapter in Portland is
>the solution to the friction within the existing one.  We cannot have
>two rival NFB chapters in Portland.
>
>Perhaps a cooling off time might be advisable, and some time devoted to
>the ongoing problem at convention when the national rep is here as a
>resource.
>
>Joyce
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
><tjcarter at spiritsubstance.com>
>To: "Rose City chapter" <rosecity at nfb-oregon.org>; <nfb-or at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: <artds55 at comcast.net>; <blindbob at dishmail.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:04 PM
>Subject: [RoseCity] Starting a new chapter
>
>
>>In reply to Nicholas, changing subject line for sanity.
>>
>>Well, starting another chapter in the Portland area is certainly an
>>option.  It's not one I've been in favor of, personally, but if
>>there's critical mass in that direction, at this point I will
>>participate in the resulting chapter.
>>
>>To do it, you'd need to get everyone who wants to participate
>>together, draft a constitution that was consistent with the state and
>>national constitutions, pay dues as specified in that constitution,
>>elect officers, and get the new chapter approved by the affiliate.
>>
>>At that point, the chapter's treasurer applies for an EIN (tax ID
>>number—we're too small to have to pay taxes, but we need the number
>>all the same), and another meeting is held to approve the minutes of
>>the first meeting.  These will be signed by the chapter president.
>>
>>Then the president, treasurer, and a member of the board open a bank
>>account using the signed minutes and chapter EIN with the three as
>>signers on the account.  The treasurer is listed as the account
>>contact person, and the president receives a duplicate statement.
>>
>>Somewhere I heard that a new chapter could ask the affiliate for some
>>starting funds, seeing as dues are likely not enough to cover initial
>>expenses and leave much left over for seed money to raise additional
>>funds.
>>
>>So far as I know it, that's the process, if you and others are serious
>>about doing it.  Based upon my phone conversations with you and others
>>yesterday, it sounds like they might be.  If you want to proceed, I'd
>>suggest starting by determining how many are serious about it, and by
>>keeping Art Stevenson in the loop.
>>
>>I've copied Art and Chris Morse as well on this message in case I made
>>any mistakes.  I've only ever been part of the genesis of one
>>organization, ORABS, and Vivian Smith and Renee Squier did most of the
>>heavy lifting there since nobody else had any experience with starting
>>anything.
>>
>>Joseph
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 09:49:40PM -0700, Nicholas Johnson wrote:
>>>Hey Joseph,
>>>My phone battery went out. I have about 4 to6 people who want to make
>>>a new chapter. If you are the President they will come abord. I dont
>>>know enough to start or run a chapter.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>>><tjcarter at spiritsubstance.com>
>>>To: "Rose City chapter" <rosecity at nfb-oregon.org>
>>>Cc: <artds55 at comcast.net>; <admin at mainstreetmontessori.org>;
>>><blindob at dishmail.net>
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:15 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [RoseCity] chapter meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>>I knew that new members get that courtesy, and applied it starting
>>>>in September.
>>>>
>>>>We didn't do the late fee this year.  I brought it up, but it wasn't
>>>>taken seriously.
>>>>
>>>>Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 07:27:08PM -0700, Joyce Green wrote:
>>>>>Joseph,
>>>>>
>>>>>Dues can be paid at any time.  However, a few years ago, we had
>>>>>such a problem getting some ongoing members to get around to paying
>>>>>dues, that the chapter approved charging $1 more each succeeding
>>>>>month after Feb. in order to deal with the lax behavior.  It
>>>>>worked.  People all paid by the end of Feb.
>>>>>
>>>>>New members who paid dues in the fall were not expected to pay dues
>>>>>again in the new year as a courtesy, but then owed dues in
>>>>>subsequent years.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joyce
>>>>
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