[Nfb-seniors] Now that everyone's awake now...

Bernadette Jacobs bernienfb75 at gmail.com
Fri Nov 7 13:30:23 UTC 2014


You guys are absolutely phantabulous!!!  Once again, I'm learning so 
much from everyone here and I just love it!!!  What a blast!! However, 
got a whole bunch on my plate here before the NFBMD State Convention 
November 14-16.  Got a gigantic Brailing project for the Maryland 
Parents of Blind Children, (MDPOBC) and my goal is to have everything 
wrapped up TO DAY!!! so that next week, I can bake and pack for everyone 
plus...

Take care gang!!!

Bern
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>     1. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 65, Issue 2 (Bernadette Jacobs)
>     2. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of theBlindSeniorlist! (Lin H.)
>     3. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind	Senior	list!
>        (Mary Kaplan)
>     4. Re: This and that (Judy Mayo)
>     5. Re: This and that (Mike Freeman)
>     6. Re: Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 65, Issue 2 (Mike Freeman)
>     7. good to hear some chatting here (Blindhands at aol.com)
>     8. Food and stuff (Blindhands at aol.com)
>     9. Re: Food and stuff (Eric Welch)
>    10. Re: Food and stuff (Eric Welch)
>    11. Re: Food and stuff (Barbara Shaidnagle)
>    12. Re: Food and stuff (Mike Freeman)
>    13. Re: This and that (Judy Mayo)
>    14. Re: good to hear some chatting here (Valerie)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:47:16 -0500
> From: Bernadette Jacobs <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 65, Issue 2
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> Hey Gang!!!
>
> Bern here, once again!!
>
> Firstly, Mike, I'm just now getting to all this just this morning. Judy,
> I too, would love to welcome you to "Diabetes Talk!!"  I'm chomping at
> the bit to see what you might have to contribute for us.  Can't even
> tell you how many years I've been on the "Diabetes Talk" list.  However,
> I have learned so much from so many people.  I learn about insulin pumps
> from the pumpers who've contributed, some of the other complications and
> how different people cope, just for starters.  I've gained a whole
> circle of new friends.  As a matter of fact, they're another extended
> family to me!!  We're always looking for new people to come join us
> Judy.  Take care.
>
> Bern
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>>      1. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind Senior	list!
>>         (Judy Mayo)
>>      2. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind Senior	list!
>>         (Eric Welch)
>>      3. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind	Senior	list!
>>         (Mike Freeman)
>>      4. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind	Senior	list!
>>         (Valerie)
>>      5. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the	BlindSenior	list! (Lin H.)
>>      6. New Thread (Judy Mayo)
>>      7. Any senior crafters out there? (Blindhands at aol.com)
>>      8. Re: New Thread (Mike Freeman)
>>      9. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the	BlindSenior	list!
>>         (Dianne Hemphill)
>>     10. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the BlindSenior	list!
>>         (Eric Welch)
>>     11. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the	BlindSeniorlist!
>>         (Janie Degenshein)
>>     12. This and that (Valerie)
>>     13. Re: This and that (Dianne Hemphill)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 14:07:35 -0500
>> From: Judy Mayo <jhunterm53 at gmail.com>
>> To: Valerie <rosetta at adam.com.au>,	NFB Senior Division list
>> 	<nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind
>> 	Senior	list!
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi Linda & Valerie & others (?),
>> I am a new member also, but hadn't emailed because I didn't think
>> anyone was a member,,,lol. I am Judy Mayo from Allentown,
>> Pennsylvania. I am with the GLVC/NFB. I am 61 and will be 62 this
>> coming April. I am a Type 1 diabetic & have been from the age of 8. I
>> really am surprised to have lived this long. I have out lived every
>> diabetic in my families.  I lost my sight to Diabetic Retinopthy. I
>> can see maybe about 5 percent.  I go to the Center for Vision Loss in
>> Allentown, Pa, but I am about to stop going. If it were not for some
>> other vision impaired people who go and I have become friends with, I
>> would not go anymore.  The staff there try so hard to make us feel
>> like we are stupid and can't do anything. A couple of us get together
>> and do our own things away from the center. We have movie night at
>> someones house, get together and cook and have dinner together, have
>> lunch  and make arrangements to go shopping and have lunch out
>> somewhere.  There is even an 85 year young lady who does things with
>> us. We are not ready to give up and sit home. There are other things
>> that bothers me, but that is for another email,,,lol. Glad to finally
>> hear from someone and let us keep the conversation going.
>> Judy Mayo
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/14, Valerie via Nfb-seniors <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Linda, Welcome, so nice to see a message as I thought I must have
>>> unsubscribed myself somehow as I haven't seen many  posts or maybe I've just
>>> missed them.  It's really great to hear you are out and about using the
>>> cane.  I'm not sure where that is exactly in the U.S you have mentioned you
>>> live, I'm in Australia.  Do you do craft of any kind, what sort of interests
>>> do you have?   I enjoy cooking, craft, listening to books and I've started
>>> learning conversational Italian.   I have five grandchildren, life is often
>>> busy.
>>> Looking forward to your post and posts from others.   Cheers. Valerie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lin
>>> H. via Nfb-seniors
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2014 1:27 AM
>>> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind Senior list!
>>>
>>> Hi everyone!  My name is Linda, and I'm from Il.  I lost my sight 10 years
>>> ago, and have learned some things with coping with Blindness.      I met a
>>> Blind girl from my Church, who has helped me to gain confidence to walk
>>> outside with my cane, after some mobility training, and other things!  She's
>>> been a God sent.    I'm in my mid 50's, and just wanted to learn some things
>>> from the Senior list!    Sincerely, Linda
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 07:53:21 -0600
> From: "Lin H." <iwannacu2 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Janie Degenshein" <jdegen16 at comcast.net>,	"NFB Senior Division
> 	list" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of
> 	theBlindSeniorlist!
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> Hi Janie!  Did you find the number for your Senior Conference call, or one
> for Illinois?  I know your Convention is this weekend, but maybe next week
> you can send it to me!  Thanks!    Sincerely, Linda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janie Degenshein via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:37 PM
> To: Eric Welch ; NFB Senior Division list ; Dianne Hemphill
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of
> theBlindSeniorlist!
>
> Well, hello all
> This is wonderful to finally see traffic on this list
> Keep it up!
> I will be at our state convention tomorrow through Sunday
> Joe Ruffalo is our President and if you know him or like him than I will
> admit
> that he is my brother
> Ha! Ha! Ha!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Welch via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:55 PM
> To: NFB Senior Division list ; Dianne Hemphill
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of the
> BlindSeniorlist!
>
> This is amazing, I did not know so many people were in this group.
>       I live 50 mile from Washington D.C.
>
> Eric Welch
> compels at gmail.com
> On Nov 5, 2014 7:45 PM, "Dianne Hemphill via Nfb-seniors" <
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone, this is Dianne from Kansas - this is right in the middle
>> of the US. How exciting to see this will be somewhat international. I am
>> enjoying reading on what you're doing with your day...I retired about 7
>> years ago and have explored a number of areas of real enjoyment including
>> some beginners pottery, painting and bead jewelry making. I also like to
>> work out at the local recreation center and have made many friends there
>> and hopefully help them better understand the capabilities of the blind. I
>> also enjoy reading braille and listening to talking books.  I have RP and
>> have somewhat  more than light perception. My husband  and I of 43 years
>> love to travel the world, visit with our 3 daughters and their families
>> which includes 7 grand children...it really would have been  easier to
>> start with the grandchildren - as they say! I look forward to getting
>> acquainted with everyone via this opportunity. Dianne Hemphill
>> On Nov 5, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Lin H. via Nfb-seniors wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Valerie, Eric and Judy!    I am also VP of the At Large Chapter in
>> Il. I do calling for different things for the Federation too!    I learned
>> Braille a few years ago, and love it!  I read with some other people each
>> week.  We are reading Blind Faith at this time!    We read to each other
>> via Conference call, and then for homework, we read 25 pages  till the
>> next
>> week.  It's fun, and never to late to learn Braille!    My husband has MS
>> and is mostly in a wheel chair.  Since I'm blind, we have part time
>> Caregivers to help with bathing, feeding and other things my husband can't
>> do himself anymore.    It's hard for me to get out much, cause when no
>> one's here with him, I don't want to be out to long, except if I go to a
>> store real quick.    But, we manage, and been married 30 years now.
>> We
>> have no kids, but, we have support from family!    By all means, let's
>> keep
>> this conversation going!    Sincerely, Linda
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Valerie via Nfb-seniors
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:47 PM
>>> To: 'Eric Welch' ; 'NFB Senior Division list'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of the
>> BlindSenior list!
>>> Hello Judy, Linda and Eric,  We may be the only ones on list, however,
>> I'm
>>> sure we will have a lot to share.
>>>
>>> Judy, I am right now cooking meals here and there for a vision impaired
>>> friend who is diabetic, my friend has not been too well, nothing to do
>> with
>>> diabetes, but I am becoming familiar with doing diabetic recipes.
>>> It's great you have a nice group of friends Judy and enjoy times out
>>> together.  I think sometimes we have to motivate ourselves, you having
>>> mentioned the 82 year old lady who joins in, well our Italian teacher, a
>>> little group of vision impaired people, the teacher is ninety this year
>> and
>>> her mind is so sharp and she has an amazing outlook on life.  We are
>> blessed
>>> to have her  The Italian is, hopefully keeping my mind a bit sharper.
>>>
>>> Eric, I'm not sure just where Maryland is, my geography is not that
>>> great
>>> for the U.S.A. so I hope I will learn a bit from you all to make that a
>> bit
>>> better.  You have so many States there , we have six and two Territories
>>> here.   I am in South Australia.  At the moment we are heading into
>> summer
>>> and we have some hot days coming up this week. Winter here can be quite
>>> cold, some frosts and about once in seven years we might get a dusting
>>> of
>>> snow on the highest hill, and that usually makes headlines.
>>>
>>> I'm very much looking forward to hearing more from everyone, so nice to
>> see
>>> the list come alive.
>>>
>>> Very best wishes. Valerie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Eric
>>> Welch via Nfb-seniors
>>> Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2014 6:02 AM
>>> To: Judy Mayo; NFB Senior Division list
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind
>> Senior
>>> list!
>>>
>>> Hi Julia Mayo and Linda. I too did not email because I did not think
>> anyone
>>> was there.
>>>     I am 62y.o. I have partial sight due to maculat dytrophy(genetically
>> ).
>>>   Feel free to write me in Maryland.
>>>
>>> Eric Welch
>>> compelw at gmail.com
>>> On Nov 5, 2014 2:08 PM, "Judy Mayo via Nfb-seniors" <
>> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Linda & Valerie & others (?),
>>>> I am a new member also, but hadn't emailed because I didn't think
>>>> anyone was a member,,,lol. I am Judy Mayo from Allentown,
>>>> Pennsylvania. I am with the GLVC/NFB. I am 61 and will be 62 this
>>>> coming April. I am a Type 1 diabetic & have been from the age of 8. I
>>>> really am surprised to have lived this long. I have out lived every
>>>> diabetic in my families.  I lost my sight to Diabetic Retinopthy. I
>>>> can see maybe about 5 percent.  I go to the Center for Vision Loss in
>>>> Allentown, Pa, but I am about to stop going. If it were not for some
>>>> other vision impaired people who go and I have become friends with, I
>>>> would not go anymore.  The staff there try so hard to make us feel
>>>> like we are stupid and can't do anything. A couple of us get together
>>>> and do our own things away from the center. We have movie night at
>>>> someones house, get together and cook and have dinner together, have
>>>> lunch  and make arrangements to go shopping and have lunch out
>>>> somewhere.  There is even an 85 year young lady who does things with
>>>> us. We are not ready to give up and sit home. There are other things
>>>> that bothers me, but that is for another email,,,lol. Glad to finally
>>>> hear from someone and let us keep the conversation going.
>>>> Judy Mayo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/4/14, Valerie via Nfb-seniors <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Linda, Welcome, so nice to see a message as I thought I must
>>>>> have unsubscribed myself somehow as I haven't seen many  posts or
>>>>> maybe I've
>>>> just
>>>>> missed them.  It's really great to hear you are out and about using
>>>>> the cane.  I'm not sure where that is exactly in the U.S you have
>>>>> mentioned
>>>> you
>>>>> live, I'm in Australia.  Do you do craft of any kind, what sort of
>>>> interests
>>>>> do you have?   I enjoy cooking, craft, listening to books and I've
>>>> started
>>>>> learning conversational Italian.   I have five grandchildren, life is
>>>> often
>>>>> busy.
>>>>> Looking forward to your post and posts from others.   Cheers. Valerie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>> Lin
>>>>> H. via Nfb-seniors
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2014 1:27 AM
>>>>> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind
>>>>> Senior
>>>> list!
>>>>> Hi everyone!  My name is Linda, and I'm from Il.  I lost my sight 10
>>>> years
>>>>> ago, and have learned some things with coping with Blindness.      I
>> met
>>>> a
>>>>> Blind girl from my Church, who has helped me to gain confidence to
>>>>> walk outside with my cane, after some mobility training, and other
>>> things!
>>>> She's
>>>>> been a God sent.    I'm in my mid 50's, and just wanted to learn some
>>>> things
>>>>> from the Senior list!    Sincerely, Linda
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Judy H Mayo
>>>>
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> Keep Smiling,
> Janie Degenshein
> "Happiness isn't having what you want, but wanting what you already have"
> Facilitator of ECHO
> (Eyes Closed Hearts Open)
> President, National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey Senior Division
> President National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey Technology Division
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:01:57 +0000
> From: Mary Kaplan <mkaplan at njstatelib.org>
> To: Janie Degenshein <jdegen16 at comcast.net>, NFB Senior Division list
> 	<nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind
> 	Senior	list!
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> see you tomorrow at NFB? can't wait to hear all about the baby!
>
> Mary Kearns-Kaplan, MLS MSW
> Adult Outreach Services Coordinator
> NJSL Talking Book & Braille Center
> Phone: 800-792-8322 x834
> Email: mkaplan at njstatelib.org<mailto:mkaplan at njstatelib.org>
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>
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2014, at 10:04 AM, "Janie Degenshein via Nfb-seniors" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Hello and welcome to our list
> I reside in New Jersey and am our division President of the seniors in our state.
> We would lovve for you to join us on our next phone conference if you so desire.
> Currently we are gearing up for our state convention which is this Thursday through sunday.
> You can contact me directly if you wish by sending an email to:
> jdegen16 at outlook.com<mailto:jdegen16 at outlook.com>
> Let me know where you are living and perhaps we can get you hooked up with a senior division in your state
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Lin H. via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:56 AM
> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind Senior list!
>
> Hi everyone!  My name is Linda, and I?m from Il.  I lost my sight 10 years ago, and have learned some things with coping with Blindness.      I met a Blind girl from my Church, who has helped me to gain confidence to walk outside with my cane, after some mobility training, and other things!  She?s been a God sent.    I?m in my mid 50?s, and just wanted to learn some things from the Senior list!    Sincerely, Linda
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> Keep Smiling,
> Janie Degenshein
> "Happiness isn't having what you want, but wanting what you already have"
> Facilitator of ECHO
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:37:53 -0500
> From: Judy Mayo <jhunterm53 at gmail.com>
> To: Dianne Hemphill <diannehemphill at cox.net>, 	NFB Senior Division
> 	list <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] This and that
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> Good Morning Gang (or evening),
> I was signed up on the Diabetic List, but got off of it. All the talk
> was about the insulin pump. Until an insulin pump comes out that will
> talk, I am not interested anymore. I was on the pump when I started
> losing my sight. Loved it. Then I started running into trouble.When
> the batter died, well, I could replace the battery, but I could not
> reset the pump. I called the Blind Center to get help setting it and
> the people would not help me. I had to go around the apartment complex
> to find someone home and ask for help. Then my companion and I moved
> to another town and I had to change  insurance company through
> medicare. That company would not pay for the pump supplies. I went
> back on the shots.
> As far as other Blind and Visualy Impaired people being out and about
> in public, well, when my companion and I go out together, he says that
> he never sees other blind people around. I used to wonder about that.
> Then I came to the conclusion that the way the Blind and Visually
> Impaired are treated,,,, a lot of times I do not blame them for
> staying away from the public eye. Of course I haven't let that stop
> me. As long as I can get transportation, I will go when I can.
> As far as learning Braille goes. Hadley School for the Blind is where
> I learned what Braille I know. I know the Braille alphabet. Have
> things labeled. Then came the Pen Friend and I got lazy as far as
> keeping up my Braille skills. I just have to get back to working with
> it.
> I could go on and on. This is enough for now,,,tehehe. Everyone have a
> great day.--
> Judy H Mayo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:02:24 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Judy Mayo'" <jhunterm53 at gmail.com>,	"'NFB Senior Division list'"
> 	<nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] This and that
> Message-ID: <005e01cff9db$0f00abd0$2d020370$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Judy:
>
> I'm sorry you thought Diabetes-talk was mostly about pumps. There has been a
> lot of discussion during the past two years or so about pumps because as you
> discovered, there is no fully-accessible pump and, frankly, many blind
> diabetics want the same latest and greatest gewgaws available to sighted
> diabetics. While they are correct, accessible pumps and CGMS systems aren't
> coming anytime soon, if only because we, the blind, are a minority and,
> despite all the hype, diabetics are still a minority among the blind.
>
> It may or may not interest you to know that I also use an insulin pen and
> the only way I'd go on a pump would be if someone were to pay me to test
> one. Frankly, in my view, the reason some people get such supposedly
> superior results using a pump is that it forces them to do the math and pay
> attention to their bg readings and insulin doses -- something they should
> have been doing *without* a pump but found too burdensome or got too lazy to
> keep up with.
>
> But if you had been on Diabetes-talk, you would have seen a post from Tom
> Ley who uses a CGMS system that is inaccessible but whose manufacturer has
> developed linkage between the CGMS system and an iPhone to transmit data to
> the doctor and for someone else to follow the readings, presumably to help
> with care-giving for the diabetic using the system. Tom's imaginative
> innovation was to follow himself on the iPhone and thus gain access to his
> CGMS readings so that he can calibrate the system by himself.
>
> It's this sort of can-do philosophy that NFB exemplifies and that, I fear,
> is becoming less fashionable in the blindness world today in favor of
> caterwauling constantly about accessibility. Mind you, I'm not knocking
> accessibility. But in a world where we, the blind, are and always will be a
> minority, we must develop the faculty of inventiveness that Tom's solution
> exemplifies.
>
> Besides, us pen-and-syringe users gotta stick together.
>
> And, as I say, you'd contribute a lot I am sure.
>
> Incidentally, as to my bona fides on this list, I'm sixty-six but quite a
> few people don't know I'm that ancient. (grin)
>
> Mike freeman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
> Mayo via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:38 AM
> To: Dianne Hemphill; NFB Senior Division list
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] This and that
>
> Good Morning Gang (or evening),
> I was signed up on the Diabetic List, but got off of it. All the talk
> was about the insulin pump. Until an insulin pump comes out that will
> talk, I am not interested anymore. I was on the pump when I started
> losing my sight. Loved it. Then I started running into trouble.When
> the batter died, well, I could replace the battery, but I could not
> reset the pump. I called the Blind Center to get help setting it and
> the people would not help me. I had to go around the apartment complex
> to find someone home and ask for help. Then my companion and I moved
> to another town and I had to change  insurance company through
> medicare. That company would not pay for the pump supplies. I went
> back on the shots.
> As far as other Blind and Visualy Impaired people being out and about
> in public, well, when my companion and I go out together, he says that
> he never sees other blind people around. I used to wonder about that.
> Then I came to the conclusion that the way the Blind and Visually
> Impaired are treated,,,, a lot of times I do not blame them for
> staying away from the public eye. Of course I haven't let that stop
> me. As long as I can get transportation, I will go when I can.
> As far as learning Braille goes. Hadley School for the Blind is where
> I learned what Braille I know. I know the Braille alphabet. Have
> things labeled. Then came the Pen Friend and I got lazy as far as
> keeping up my Braille skills. I just have to get back to working with
> it.
> I could go on and on. This is enough for now,,,tehehe. Everyone have a
> great day.--
> Judy H Mayo
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:12:53 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Bernadette Jacobs'" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>,	"'NFB Senior
> 	Division list'" <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 65, Issue 2
> Message-ID: <006401cff9dc$85c3b270$914b1750$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
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> Yeah; I got on Diabetes-talk when I needed help myself. That was almost a
> decade ago.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bernadette Jacobs via Nfb-seniors
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 5:47 AM
> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Nfb-seniors Digest, Vol 65, Issue 2
>
> Hey Gang!!!
>
> Bern here, once again!!
>
> Firstly, Mike, I'm just now getting to all this just this morning. Judy,
> I too, would love to welcome you to "Diabetes Talk!!"  I'm chomping at
> the bit to see what you might have to contribute for us.  Can't even
> tell you how many years I've been on the "Diabetes Talk" list.  However,
> I have learned so much from so many people.  I learn about insulin pumps
> from the pumpers who've contributed, some of the other complications and
> how different people cope, just for starters.  I've gained a whole
> circle of new friends.  As a matter of fact, they're another extended
> family to me!!  We're always looking for new people to come join us
> Judy.  Take care.
>
> Bern
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>>      1. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind Senior	list!
>>         (Judy Mayo)
>>      2. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind Senior	list!
>>         (Eric Welch)
>>      3. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind	Senior	list!
>>         (Mike Freeman)
>>      4. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind	Senior	list!
>>         (Valerie)
>>      5. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the	BlindSenior	list! (Lin
> H.)
>>      6. New Thread (Judy Mayo)
>>      7. Any senior crafters out there? (Blindhands at aol.com)
>>      8. Re: New Thread (Mike Freeman)
>>      9. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the	BlindSenior	list!
>>         (Dianne Hemphill)
>>     10. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the BlindSenior	list!
>>         (Eric Welch)
>>     11. Re: Hello all! I'm a new member of the	BlindSeniorlist!
>>         (Janie Degenshein)
>>     12. This and that (Valerie)
>>     13. Re: This and that (Dianne Hemphill)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 14:07:35 -0500
>> From: Judy Mayo <jhunterm53 at gmail.com>
>> To: Valerie <rosetta at adam.com.au>,	NFB Senior Division list
>> 	<nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind
>> 	Senior	list!
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Linda & Valerie & others (?),
>> I am a new member also, but hadn't emailed because I didn't think
>> anyone was a member,,,lol. I am Judy Mayo from Allentown,
>> Pennsylvania. I am with the GLVC/NFB. I am 61 and will be 62 this
>> coming April. I am a Type 1 diabetic & have been from the age of 8. I
>> really am surprised to have lived this long. I have out lived every
>> diabetic in my families.  I lost my sight to Diabetic Retinopthy. I
>> can see maybe about 5 percent.  I go to the Center for Vision Loss in
>> Allentown, Pa, but I am about to stop going. If it were not for some
>> other vision impaired people who go and I have become friends with, I
>> would not go anymore.  The staff there try so hard to make us feel
>> like we are stupid and can't do anything. A couple of us get together
>> and do our own things away from the center. We have movie night at
>> someones house, get together and cook and have dinner together, have
>> lunch  and make arrangements to go shopping and have lunch out
>> somewhere.  There is even an 85 year young lady who does things with
>> us. We are not ready to give up and sit home. There are other things
>> that bothers me, but that is for another email,,,lol. Glad to finally
>> hear from someone and let us keep the conversation going.
>> Judy Mayo
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/14, Valerie via Nfb-seniors <nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Linda, Welcome, so nice to see a message as I thought I must have
>>> unsubscribed myself somehow as I haven't seen many  posts or maybe I've
> just
>>> missed them.  It's really great to hear you are out and about using the
>>> cane.  I'm not sure where that is exactly in the U.S you have mentioned
> you
>>> live, I'm in Australia.  Do you do craft of any kind, what sort of
> interests
>>> do you have?   I enjoy cooking, craft, listening to books and I've
> started
>>> learning conversational Italian.   I have five grandchildren, life is
> often
>>> busy.
>>> Looking forward to your post and posts from others.   Cheers. Valerie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nfb-seniors [mailto:nfb-seniors-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Lin
>>> H. via Nfb-seniors
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2014 1:27 AM
>>> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Hello all! I'm a new member of the Blind Senior
> list!
>>> Hi everyone!  My name is Linda, and I'm from Il.  I lost my sight 10
> years
>>> ago, and have learned some things with coping with Blindness.      I met
> a
>>> Blind girl from my Church, who has helped me to gain confidence to walk
>>> outside with my cane, after some mobility training, and other things!
> She's
>>> been a God sent.    I'm in my mid 50's, and just wanted to learn some
> things
>>> from the Senior list!    Sincerely, Linda
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:30:49 -0500
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] good to hear some chatting here
> Message-ID: <5b59b.3fc6aa2b.418d0a49 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi folks,
>   
> I am Joyce Kane here in CT.  I am also the creater and Presiden of the  NFB
> Krafters Division.
>   
> I have to say a little something about the division.
>   
> We have classes via telephone conference calls and emails.  We have a  good
> group of International folks from Canada, Mexico, Australia, South Africa
> and England, so far and it is growing.  Folks SKYPE into our classes and we
> went International within the last 3 years.  Our teachers are
> blind/visually impaired and are excellent in describing  what  their  hands are doing.
> Most of our teachers make up their own patterns and  provide written
> directions to our students.  We offer a "Try It" class for  first timers.  You get
> to pick whatever class that interests you and after  that class is
> completed, we encourage you to become a paid member of the  division.  Then you can
> take as many classes as you want.  _www.KraftersKorner.org_
> (http://www.KraftersKorner.org)
>   
> Joyce
> Blindhands at aol.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:34:24 -0500
> From: Blindhands at aol.com
> To: nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfb-seniors] Food and stuff
> Message-ID: <5b767.32c548ce.418d0b20 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I use to have to have diet Coke all the time.  Like it had to be IV  into
> me.  Well I tried this new flavored water "ICE" and the flavors are  great,
> it has a little bit of fuzz in it[carbonation] and like no calories or  for
> me no carbs.
>   
> I do love it and now rather have a bottle of that then the can of diet
> Coke.
>   
> Joyce
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:17:22 -0500
> From: Eric Welch <compelw at gmail.com>
> To: Blindhands at aol.com, NFB Senior Division list
> 	<nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Food and stuff
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Joyce,tell me more about it,please.
>
> Eric Welch
> On Nov 6, 2014 12:34 PM, "Blindhands--- via Nfb-seniors" <
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I use to have to have diet Coke all the time.  Like it had to be IV  into
>> me.  Well I tried this new flavored water "ICE" and the flavors are  great,
>> it has a little bit of fuzz in it[carbonation] and like no calories or  for
>> me no carbs.
>>
>> I do love it and now rather have a bottle of that then the can of diet
>> Coke.
>>
>> Joyce
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:19:13 -0500
> From: Eric Welch <compelw at gmail.com>
> To: Blindhands at aol.com, NFB Senior Division list
> 	<nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Food and stuff
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> My email
> compels at gmail.com
> On Nov 6, 2014 12:34 PM, "Blindhands--- via Nfb-seniors" <
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I use to have to have diet Coke all the time.  Like it had to be IV  into
>> me.  Well I tried this new flavored water "ICE" and the flavors are  great,
>> it has a little bit of fuzz in it[carbonation] and like no calories or  for
>> me no carbs.
>>
>> I do love it and now rather have a bottle of that then the can of diet
>> Coke.
>>
>> Joyce
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:43:48 -0600
> From: Barbara Shaidnagle <bshaid at gmail.com>
> To: Eric Welch <compelw at gmail.com>,	NFB Senior Division list
> 	<nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-seniors] Food and stuff
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I worked with a coworker who wound up having home dialysis because she
> drank 2 or 3 diet cokes a day.  Folks, I am begging you, find something
> else to drink.  Water, flavored water..
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Eric Welch via Nfb-seniors <
> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> My email
>> compels at gmail.com
>> On Nov 6, 2014 12:34 PM, "Blindhands--- via Nfb-seniors" <
>> nfb-seniors at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I use to have to have diet Coke all the time.  Like it had to be IV  into
>>> me.  Well I tried this new flavored water "ICE" and the flavors are
>> great,
>>> it has a little bit of fuzz in it[carbonation] and like no calories or
>> for
>>> me no carbs.
>>>
>>> I do love it and now rather have a bottle of that then the can of diet
>>> Coke.
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>> _______________________________________________
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