[nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI

Fri Apr 30 03:18:54 UTC 2010

I think that makes my point to an extent.  The Better Business Bureau 
is a private company, not a government agency.

Glad to know they're no longer in business.  They sound like they 
deserved to fail.

Joseph

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 09:15:37AM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>Well that was 40 years ago and the company went out of business 
>shortly after when they were investigated by the Better Business 
>Bureau for questionable business practices.
>Chuck
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>>I think it would be difficult to regulate that kind of stupidity 
>>out of existence.  Moreover, the attempt is somewhat dangerous, 
>>because the power of the government to control what is in your 
>>employer's sales script for a telemarketer is most fundamentally an 
>>infringement of free speech.
>>
>>I'd never work for a person who attempted to use my disability to 
>>make a buck.  I don't know many who would.  Exposure tends to end 
>>such practices without government intervention, most of the time.
>>
>>There is danger in under-regulation, but I don't think this example 
>>holds very well.  I don't believe you can legislate or regulate 
>>morality or common sense.  If you could, Congress would be illegal.
>>
>>No, such lessons must be taught by hitting the people like your 
>>lightbulb salesman where it counts—right in the pocketbook.
>>
>>Joseph
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:04:25AM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>The concern that needs to be raised about relying on private 
>>>industries without adequate regulation is the potential 
>>>exploitation that still occurs in the name of charity through 
>>>ventures such as sheltered work shops and the like. When I was in 
>>>high school a company advertised in hclassified ads for 
>>>telemarketers to sell light bulbs and other products. The catch 
>>>was they would hire people with disabilities and required their 
>>>telemarketers to identify themselves as a disabled person in the 
>>>course of making calls. Of course, I didn't want the job that 
>>>badly to stoop to that level.
>>>Chuck
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:33 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI
>>>
>>>
>>>>Indeed I would oppose the removal of the minimum wage for 
>>>>people with disabilities, and I recognize that raising the 
>>>>minimum wage results in fewer jobs available to those who need 
>>>>them.
>>>>
>>>>If we're bellyaching here about how a tax exemption makes 
>>>>people think we are incapable of being equal, how does being 
>>>>exempt from the minimum wage or government subsidized 
>>>>employment make us look?  That's a giant leap backward, in my 
>>>>opinion.  That's especially true when you start considering the 
>>>>government paperwork and bureaucracy involved in such a 
>>>>program.
>>>>
>>>>What John doesn't seem to get was that the NFB was founded to 
>>>>bring about the END what he proposes to create.  Maybe the 
>>>>notion that you do the same work for less pay and don't dare 
>>>>question the voc rehab agency that (literally) feeds you is 
>>>>acceptable to some members of the Progressive Party who would 
>>>>gladly give government total power and zero oversight. The rest 
>>>>of us have heard and lived enough government horror stories to 
>>>>politely decline.
>>>>
>>>>Not that politely declining means anything to the Progressive 
>>>>Party. They'll ram it through no matter what, because them 
>>>>having a dictatorship is good for you.
>>>>
>>>>Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:11:51AM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>>The modification of minimum wage laws would actually be a 
>>>>>step backward as it undermines equal pay for equal work and 
>>>>>would not receive support from organized labor. Either we are 
>>>>>competing equally in the work force or not competing. You 
>>>>>can't have it both ways.
>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:07 AM
>>>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, technically, these are not ideas for ending SSI and SSDI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Companies should get tax credits for hiring someone on 
>>>>>>SSI or SSDI equal to the amount the person would have 
>>>>>>received if they'd stayed on SSI or SSDI. The tax credit 
>>>>>>could last for one year, two years, three --  whatever it 
>>>>>>takes. Note that this idea is revenue neutral. Of course, 
>>>>>>someone would have to be on SSI or SSDI in order to go off 
>>>>>>SSI or SSDI this way. So my idea doesn't do away with SSI 
>>>>>>and SSDI. But we don't really want to do that anyway 
>>>>>>because some people simply cannot work and can never come 
>>>>>>off SSI or SSDI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2. Waive minimum wage laws for people on SSI or SSDI for 2 
>>>>>>or 3 years after they are hired.  The disabled person would 
>>>>>>continue to get SSI or SSDI while they're working because 
>>>>>>they'd only be making $1 an hour (or whatever).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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