[nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI

Fri Apr 30 09:59:28 UTC 2010

There were very few consumer protection laws forty years agoas the whole 
consumer rights movement was just bbeginning around that time historically.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI


>I think that makes my point to an extent.  The Better Business Bureau is a 
>private company, not a government agency.
>
> Glad to know they're no longer in business.  They sound like they deserved 
> to fail.
>
> Joseph
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 09:15:37AM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>Well that was 40 years ago and the company went out of business shortly 
>>after when they were investigated by the Better Business Bureau for 
>>questionable business practices.
>>Chuck
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:58 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI
>>
>>
>>>I think it would be difficult to regulate that kind of stupidity out of 
>>>existence.  Moreover, the attempt is somewhat dangerous, because the 
>>>power of the government to control what is in your employer's sales 
>>>script for a telemarketer is most fundamentally an infringement of free 
>>>speech.
>>>
>>>I'd never work for a person who attempted to use my disability to make a 
>>>buck.  I don't know many who would.  Exposure tends to end such practices 
>>>without government intervention, most of the time.
>>>
>>>There is danger in under-regulation, but I don't think this example holds 
>>>very well.  I don't believe you can legislate or regulate morality or 
>>>common sense.  If you could, Congress would be illegal.
>>>
>>>No, such lessons must be taught by hitting the people like your lightbulb 
>>>salesman where it counts—right in the pocketbook.
>>>
>>>Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:04:25AM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>The concern that needs to be raised about relying on private industries 
>>>>without adequate regulation is the potential exploitation that still 
>>>>occurs in the name of charity through ventures such as sheltered work 
>>>>shops and the like. When I was in high school a company advertised in 
>>>>hclassified ads for telemarketers to sell light bulbs and other 
>>>>products. The catch was they would hire people with disabilities and 
>>>>required their telemarketers to identify themselves as a disabled person 
>>>>in the course of making calls. Of course, I didn't want the job that 
>>>>badly to stoop to that level.
>>>>Chuck
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
>>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:33 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI
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>>>>
>>>>>Indeed I would oppose the removal of the minimum wage for people with 
>>>>>disabilities, and I recognize that raising the minimum wage results in 
>>>>>fewer jobs available to those who need them.
>>>>>
>>>>>If we're bellyaching here about how a tax exemption makes people think 
>>>>>we are incapable of being equal, how does being exempt from the minimum 
>>>>>wage or government subsidized employment make us look?  That's a giant 
>>>>>leap backward, in my opinion.  That's especially true when you start 
>>>>>considering the government paperwork and bureaucracy involved in such a 
>>>>>program.
>>>>>
>>>>>What John doesn't seem to get was that the NFB was founded to bring 
>>>>>about the END what he proposes to create.  Maybe the notion that you do 
>>>>>the same work for less pay and don't dare question the voc rehab agency 
>>>>>that (literally) feeds you is acceptable to some members of the 
>>>>>Progressive Party who would gladly give government total power and zero 
>>>>>oversight. The rest of us have heard and lived enough government horror 
>>>>>stories to politely decline.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not that politely declining means anything to the Progressive Party. 
>>>>>They'll ram it through no matter what, because them having a 
>>>>>dictatorship is good for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:11:51AM -0700, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>>>The modification of minimum wage laws would actually be a step 
>>>>>>backward as it undermines equal pay for equal work and would not 
>>>>>>receive support from organized labor. Either we are competing equally 
>>>>>>in the work force or not competing. You can't have it both ways.
>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" 
>>>>>><jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:07 AM
>>>>>>Subject: [nfb-talk] my ideas for ending SSI & SSDI
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, technically, these are not ideas for ending SSI and SSDI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1. Companies should get tax credits for hiring someone on SSI or SSDI 
>>>>>>>equal to the amount the person would have received if they'd stayed 
>>>>>>>on SSI or SSDI. The tax credit could last for one year, two years, 
>>>>>>>three --  whatever it takes. Note that this idea is revenue neutral. 
>>>>>>>Of course, someone would have to be on SSI or SSDI in order to go off 
>>>>>>>SSI or SSDI this way. So my idea doesn't do away with SSI and SSDI. 
>>>>>>>But we don't really want to do that anyway because some people simply 
>>>>>>>cannot work and can never come off SSI or SSDI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2. Waive minimum wage laws for people on SSI or SSDI for 2 or 3 years 
>>>>>>>after they are hired.  The disabled person would continue to get SSI 
>>>>>>>or SSDI while they're working because they'd only be making $1 an 
>>>>>>>hour (or whatever).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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