[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

Joshua Lester jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Sat Dec 4 05:55:30 UTC 2010 

Can we please move this off list? Thanks, Joshua

On 12/3/10, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> hi,
>
> i'm not taking it personal.
> what irks me is that blind people get pissed if they are told they can't do
> something and take it as because you are blind and don't stop to consider
> what is reality or what makes sense.
> of course a blind person can swing a hammer or use a power saw but are they
> going to be able to hold a board with one handand hit the nail dead center
> every swing or cutthe the line exactly while keeping a half sheet of plywood
> from falling with the other hand and the point that blind people fail to
> accept is will those or other tasks even come close to the speed of a
> sighted carpenter?
> are people really going to demand that the entire crew should be blind?
> do you really think that a sighted crew would allow a blind guy to be up on
> the roof slinging the plywood?
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
>> Hey, it aint personal.  How come you gotta take it personally?  What's the
>>
>> matter?  Can't stand truly independant blind people?  I see it all the
>> time.  The dependant blind call the independant blind "super blinks".
>> Why?  Well, my own idea about that is that they are jealous of what we
>> have and are; but, instead of bettering themselves, they get mad.
>>
>> tisk tisk tisk.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>
>>> put up some $$ cuz they say bs walks!
>>> i'm tired of people talking smack and telling other people they are full
>>> of sh$$ about various topics.
>>> i have been going to professional nhra drag races for 20 years and the
>>> teams do rebuild an alcohol or nitro motor in about 30 minutes after each
>>>
>>> run.
>>>
>>> Jay Blake owns the follow a dream alcohol funny car and he is completely
>>> capable of working on the motor but not at the same pace as sighted
>>> mechanics on race day and has the sense to accept that instead of being a
>>>
>>> weak link.
>>>
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>
>>>
>>>> Got news for you bro.  There's no way it takes just thirty minutes.
>>>> You've heard of editing right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>
>>>> Skype Name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> don't play the pity card bro!
>>>>> i'm just telling people what happens in the real world outside of the
>>>>> nfb bubble.
>>>>> did you understand it's the pace and not the ability?
>>>>> the man's race team completely rebuilds a  motor in 30 minutes.
>>>>> i would love to see the blind man actually spinning the air gun and
>>>>> working on the motor on race day but he has realized that the team has
>>>>> more success when he stays out of the way and let his employees perform
>>>>>
>>>>> the rebuild.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:11 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they are?  Don't
>>>>>> you think there are any blind people actually involved in the building
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of their own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of
>>>>>> anything? Oh, of course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our
>>>>>> state provided reading radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wishful thinking...
>>>>>>> people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>>>>>>> a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship
>>>>>>> f-ups and people running everywhere.
>>>>>>> you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of drywall with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> material and tools all over the site without falling?
>>>>>>> you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy who owns a
>>>>>>> racing team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to
>>>>>>> the time limits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>>>>>>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can implement
>>>>>>>> it, people would certainly get a different perspective on what blind
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people are really like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Connie Canode
>>>>>>>> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know of only one
>>>>>>>>> way to stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and
>>>>>>>>> competent blind people on the make over crew.  Once we do that,
>>>>>>>>> maybe they'll get the idea.  Barring that, maybe we ought to have
>>>>>>>>> some competent blind people at least helping out on a make-over
>>>>>>>>> project; since I'm sure they wouldn't let us officially be part of
>>>>>>>>> what I presume bills itself as a professional make-over crew.
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Hello John and everyone,
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >    If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning an
>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd understand
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >  > why >  > the
>>>>>>>>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition continues
>>>>>>>>> to portray
>>>>>>>>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>>>>>>>>> modifications to the
>>>>>>>>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets >
>>>>>>>>> >  > > incidents
>>>>>>>>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this morning will
>>>>>>>>> continue to
>>>>>>>>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't prove that
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >  > the
>>>>>>>>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an episode of
>>>>>>>>> this show
>>>>>>>>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV network
>>>>>>>>> continues
>>>>>>>>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly be
>>>>>>>>> suspect in
>>>>>>>>> > my book.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>>>>>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a > >
>>>>>>>>> > disability
>>>>>>>>> > advocate.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> I feel the same way.  First question that came to find...If
>>>>>>>>> >> these >>  >> >> people
>>>>>>>>> >> are
>>>>>>>>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> disabilities, >> and
>>>>>>>>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've been blind,
>>>>>>>>> >>  >> why >>  >> can't
>>>>>>>>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around them?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Cindy
>>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle? >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Anyone >>  >> care
>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>> >> guess why?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>> >> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> >>> Q From: Mary Watkins
>>>>>>>>> >>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
>>>>>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
>>>>>>>>> >>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> >>> "Extreme
>>>>>>>>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S "Extreme
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> >>> Makeover:
>>>>>>>>> >>> Home Edition"
>>>>>>>>> >>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those interested
>>>>>>>>> >>> in
>>>>>>>>> >>> inclusive
>>>>>>>>> >>> technology for people who are blind or have low vision to tune
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> into
>>>>>>>>> >>> "Extreme
>>>>>>>>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, December 5. While
>>>>>>>>> >>> we >>>  >>>  >>> can't
>>>>>>>>> >>> provide any specific information on what will be seen and heard
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> (it >>>  >>> would
>>>>>>>>> >>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much
>>>>>>>>> >>> greater
>>>>>>>>> >>> awareness
>>>>>>>>> >>> of the services and products now available for people who have
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> >>> limited or
>>>>>>>>> >>> no
>>>>>>>>> >>> sight.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Here is the information the production company has released in
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> >>> advance
>>>>>>>>> >>> about
>>>>>>>>> >>> this episode:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected the >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Anderson
>>>>>>>>> >>> Family
>>>>>>>>> >>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the call to >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> action >>>  >>> when
>>>>>>>>> >>> they
>>>>>>>>> >>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness of the >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> obstacles
>>>>>>>>> >>> facing
>>>>>>>>> >>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into their
>>>>>>>>> >>> work, >>>  >>>  >>> Andre
>>>>>>>>> >>> and
>>>>>>>>> >>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and counseling
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> the
>>>>>>>>> >>> disabled
>>>>>>>>> >>> by connecting them with resources to help them live and lead
>>>>>>>>> >>> more
>>>>>>>>> >>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the
>>>>>>>>> >>> definitive >>>  >>>  >>> role
>>>>>>>>> >>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine have never
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> let
>>>>>>>>> >>> anything
>>>>>>>>> >>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to complete grad >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> school, >>>  >>> run a
>>>>>>>>> >>> center for people with disabilities, created a support group,
>>>>>>>>> >>> and >>>  >>> all
>>>>>>>>> >>> while
>>>>>>>>> >>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is
>>>>>>>>> >>> hearing
>>>>>>>>> >>> impaired).
>>>>>>>>> >>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, Jasison and
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> Jahzion
>>>>>>>>> >>> were
>>>>>>>>> >>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced
>>>>>>>>> >>> their
>>>>>>>>> >>> reality.
>>>>>>>>> >>> While they continue to empower their community, the family has
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> hit >>> a
>>>>>>>>> >>> rough
>>>>>>>>> >>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has
>>>>>>>>> >>> become
>>>>>>>>> >>> complicated
>>>>>>>>> >>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in the face of how
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> their
>>>>>>>>> >>> needs
>>>>>>>>> >>> continue to grow.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes in sight
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> when >>> Ty
>>>>>>>>> >>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, and Xzibit
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> >>> deliver a
>>>>>>>>> >>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous Brothers
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>>  >>> Construction
>>>>>>>>> >>> and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and give
>>>>>>>>> >>> them >>>  >>> the >>> key
>>>>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>>>>> >>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The Andersons will
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> >>> vacation
>>>>>>>>> >>> in
>>>>>>>>> >>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
>>>>>>>>> >>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme Makeover: Home
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> >>> Edition,"
>>>>>>>>> >>> now
>>>>>>>>> >>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a division of
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> Endemol
>>>>>>>>> >>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and George >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> Verschoor.
>>>>>>>>> >>> David
>>>>>>>>> >>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The show airs >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Sundays >>>  >>> from
>>>>>>>>> >>> 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> About the Media Access Group at WGBH
>>>>>>>>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a Services >>>
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>>>>>>>>> >>> research and development division--the Carl and Ruth Shapiro
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>>>>>>>>> >>> National
>>>>>>>>> >>> Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and delivered >>>
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>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> technology,
>>>>>>>>> >>> and
>>>>>>>>> >>> the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of the group's
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>>  >>> collective
>>>>>>>>> >>> staff represent the leading experts in their fields and their
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> success >>> is
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>>>>>>>>> >>> growth, >>>  >>> the
>>>>>>>>> >>> integration of innovative products and services into society at
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> >>> large,
>>>>>>>>> >>> and
>>>>>>>>> >>> the enthusiastic support of the audiences served, including 36
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> >>> million
>>>>>>>>> >>> people who are deaf, hard of hearing, blind or have low vision.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>>  >>> More
>>>>>>>>> >>> information about the Media Access Group at WGBH can be found
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>>>>>>>>> >>> Contact:
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