[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

Ray Foret Jr rforetjr at att.net
Sat Dec 4 06:13:47 UTC 2010


No need.  He's got questions, we got answers.  I think  there's still room for substance on this one.


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:55 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:

> Can we please move this off list? Thanks, Joshua
> 
> On 12/3/10, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> hi,
>> 
>> i'm not taking it personal.
>> what irks me is that blind people get pissed if they are told they can't do
>> something and take it as because you are blind and don't stop to consider
>> what is reality or what makes sense.
>> of course a blind person can swing a hammer or use a power saw but are they
>> going to be able to hold a board with one handand hit the nail dead center
>> every swing or cutthe the line exactly while keeping a half sheet of plywood
>> from falling with the other hand and the point that blind people fail to
>> accept is will those or other tasks even come close to the speed of a
>> sighted carpenter?
>> are people really going to demand that the entire crew should be blind?
>> do you really think that a sighted crew would allow a blind guy to be up on
>> the roof slinging the plywood?
>> 
>> Bryan Schulz
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>> 
>> 
>>> Hey, it aint personal.  How come you gotta take it personally?  What's the
>>> 
>>> matter?  Can't stand truly independant blind people?  I see it all the
>>> time.  The dependant blind call the independant blind "super blinks".
>>> Why?  Well, my own idea about that is that they are jealous of what we
>>> have and are; but, instead of bettering themselves, they get mad.
>>> 
>>> tisk tisk tisk.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>> 
>>>> put up some $$ cuz they say bs walks!
>>>> i'm tired of people talking smack and telling other people they are full
>>>> of sh$$ about various topics.
>>>> i have been going to professional nhra drag races for 20 years and the
>>>> teams do rebuild an alcohol or nitro motor in about 30 minutes after each
>>>> 
>>>> run.
>>>> 
>>>> Jay Blake owns the follow a dream alcohol funny car and he is completely
>>>> capable of working on the motor but not at the same pace as sighted
>>>> mechanics on race day and has the sense to accept that instead of being a
>>>> 
>>>> weak link.
>>>> 
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Got news for you bro.  There's no way it takes just thirty minutes.
>>>>> You've heard of editing right?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> don't play the pity card bro!
>>>>>> i'm just telling people what happens in the real world outside of the
>>>>>> nfb bubble.
>>>>>> did you understand it's the pace and not the ability?
>>>>>> the man's race team completely rebuilds a  motor in 30 minutes.
>>>>>> i would love to see the blind man actually spinning the air gun and
>>>>>> working on the motor on race day but he has realized that the team has
>>>>>> more success when he stays out of the way and let his employees perform
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the rebuild.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:11 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they are?  Don't
>>>>>>> you think there are any blind people actually involved in the building
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> of their own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of
>>>>>>> anything? Oh, of course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our
>>>>>>> state provided reading radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wishful thinking...
>>>>>>>> people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>>>>>>>> a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship
>>>>>>>> f-ups and people running everywhere.
>>>>>>>> you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of drywall with
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> material and tools all over the site without falling?
>>>>>>>> you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy who owns a
>>>>>>>> racing team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to
>>>>>>>> the time limits.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>>>>>>>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can implement
>>>>>>>>> it, people would certainly get a different perspective on what blind
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> people are really like.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Connie Canode
>>>>>>>>> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know of only one
>>>>>>>>>> way to stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and
>>>>>>>>>> competent blind people on the make over crew.  Once we do that,
>>>>>>>>>> maybe they'll get the idea.  Barring that, maybe we ought to have
>>>>>>>>>> some competent blind people at least helping out on a make-over
>>>>>>>>>> project; since I'm sure they wouldn't let us officially be part of
>>>>>>>>>> what I presume bills itself as a professional make-over crew.
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello John and everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>   If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning an
>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>> we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd understand
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> why >  > the
>>>>>>>>>>> red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition continues
>>>>>>>>>> to portray
>>>>>>>>>>> us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>>>>>>>>>> modifications to the
>>>>>>>>>>> home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incidents
>>>>>>>>>>> like the one I described in my message earlier this morning will
>>>>>>>>>> continue to
>>>>>>>>>>> happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't prove that
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an episode of
>>>>>>>>>> this show
>>>>>>>>>>> where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV network
>>>>>>>>>> continues
>>>>>>>>>>> to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly be
>>>>>>>>>> suspect in
>>>>>>>>>>> my book.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a > >
>>>>>>>>>>> disability
>>>>>>>>>>> advocate.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel the same way.  First question that came to find...If
>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>  >> >> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> disabilities, >> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> they have learned so much in the four years they've been blind,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why >>  >> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around them?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle? >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone >>  >> care
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> guess why?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q From: Mary Watkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Extreme
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S "Extreme
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makeover:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Home Edition"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology for people who are blind or have low vision to tune
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Extreme
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, December 5. While
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>  >>>  >>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide any specific information on what will be seen and heard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it >>>  >>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>> awareness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the services and products now available for people who have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the information the production company has released in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this episode:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected the >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anderson
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Family
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the call to >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> action >>>  >>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness of the >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstacles
>>>>>>>>>>>>> facing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, >>>  >>>  >>> Andre
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and counseling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by connecting them with resources to help them live and lead
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitive >>>  >>>  >>> role
>>>>>>>>>>>>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine have never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to complete grad >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> school, >>>  >>> run a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> center for people with disabilities, created a support group,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>  >>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, Jasison and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jahzion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> While they continue to empower their community, the family has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit >>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rough
>>>>>>>>>>>>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>>>>>> complicated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in the face of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to grow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes in sight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>> Ty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, and Xzibit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous Brothers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Construction
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>  >>> the >>> key
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The Andersons will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vacation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme Makeover: Home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edition,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a division of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Endemol
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and George >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Verschoor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The show airs >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sundays >>>  >>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> About the Media Access Group at WGBH
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a Services >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> division >>>  >>> and a
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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