[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

Sat Dec 4 16:18:44 UTC 2010

Brian,

Why do you believe that a blind carpenter cannot perform as well as a 
sighted one?  Why do you assume that it will naturally take more time and 
have more waste?  You're refusing to see that a blind person can do the job 
equally as well as a sighted person, given the training and experience.  It 
really seems that you believe blindness necessarily means inferiority.  It 
doesn't.

Cindy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

everyone doesn't get the speed point.
how much extra time did it take him compared to same skill of a sighted
builder and how much material had to be recut?

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

> We have a very close friend, totally blind who can do just about anything.
> He repairs cars, he remodeled his basement, rebuilding the steps, and
> recently built us a porch on the back of our house.  He built a beautiful
> deck on his own house and did it single-handedly.  He does electrical
> work, plumbing and just about anything else you can name.  I wish my
> husband could do what he can do.  It would have saved us a ton of money
> years ago before I knew him.  Of course we paid for the porch, but since
> he is a friend, we made a good deal.  Never under-estimate the ability of
> a competent blind person.  With the right tools and knowledge, you can do
> whatever you choose.
>
> Connie Canode
> At 09:13 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>>Brian,
>>
>>Get a life.
>>
>>
>>Gloria Whipple
>>Corresponding Secretary
>>Inland Empire chapter
>>nfb of WA
>>
>>cell number: 509-475-4993
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:11 PM
>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>
>>And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they are?  Don't you
>>think there are any blind people actually involved in the building of
>>their
>>own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of anything?  Oh,
>>of
>>course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state provided reading
>>radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>>
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>>Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>
>>Skype Name:
>>barefootedray
>>
>>On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>
>> > wishful thinking...
>> > people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>> > a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship f-ups
>> > and
>>people running everywhere.
>> > you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of drywall with
>>material and tools all over the site without falling?
>> > you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy who owns a
>> > racing
>>team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to the time
>>limits.
>> >
>> > Bryan Schulz
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>><satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>> >
>> >
>> >> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can implement it,
>>people would certainly get a different perspective on what blind people
>>are
>>really like.
>> >>
>> >> Connie Canode
>> >> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>> >>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know of only one way
>> >>> to
>>stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and competent blind
>>people on the make over crew.  Once we do that, maybe they'll get the
>>idea.
>>Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind people at least
>>helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they wouldn't let us
>>officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a professional
>>make-over crew.
>> >>> Thoughts?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sincerely,
>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Skype Name:
>> >>> barefootedray
>> >>>
>> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Hello John and everyone,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >    If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning an
>> >>> experience
>> >>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd understand
>> >>> > why
>> > the
>> >>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition continues
>> >>> to portray
>> >>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>> >>> modifications to the
>> >>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets >
>>incidents
>> >>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this morning will
>> >>> continue to
>> >>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't prove that
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an episode of
>> >>> this show
>> >>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV network
>> >>> continues
>> >>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly be
>> >>> suspect in
>> >>> > my book.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Peter Donahue
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a
>>disability
>> >>> > advocate.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> I feel the same way.  First question that came to find...If these
>> >>> >>  >>
>>people
>> >>> >> are
>> >>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their
>>disabilities, >> and
>> >>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've been blind,
>> >>> >> why
>> >> can't
>> >>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around them?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Cindy
>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>> >>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle?
>> >>> >> Anyone
>> >> care
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> guess why?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Skype Name:
>> >>> >> barefootedray
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> >>> Q From: Mary Watkins
>> >>> >>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
>> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
>> >>> >>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S
>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>"Extreme
>> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S "Extreme
>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>Makeover:
>> >>> >>> Home Edition"
>> >>> >>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those interested in
>> >>> >>> inclusive
>> >>> >>> technology for people who are blind or have low vision to tune
>> >>> >>> into
>> >>> >>> "Extreme
>> >>> >>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, December 5. While we
>> >>> can't
>> >>> >>> provide any specific information on what will be seen and heard
>> >>> >>> (it
>> >>> would
>> >>> >>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much greater
>> >>> >>> awareness
>> >>> >>> of the services and products now available for people who have
>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>limited or
>> >>> >>> no
>> >>> >>> sight.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Here is the information the production company has released in
>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>advance
>> >>> >>> about
>> >>> >>> this episode:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected the
>> >>> >>> Anderson
>> >>> >>> Family
>> >>> >>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the call to
>> >>> >>> action
>> >>> when
>> >>> >>> they
>> >>> >>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness of the
>> >>> >>> obstacles
>> >>> >>> facing
>> >>> >>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into their work,
>> >>> Andre
>> >>> >>> and
>> >>> >>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and counseling
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> disabled
>> >>> >>> by connecting them with resources to help them live and lead more
>> >>> >>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the definitive
>> >>> role
>> >>> >>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine have never
>> >>> >>> let
>> >>> >>> anything
>> >>> >>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to complete grad
>> >>> >>> school,
>> >>> run a
>> >>> >>> center for people with disabilities, created a support group, and
>>all
>> >>> >>> while
>> >>> >>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is hearing
>> >>> >>> impaired).
>> >>> >>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, Jasison and
>>Jahzion
>> >>> >>> were
>> >>> >>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced their
>> >>> >>> reality.
>> >>> >>> While they continue to empower their community, the family has
>> >>> >>> hit a
>> >>> >>> rough
>> >>> >>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has become
>> >>> >>> complicated
>> >>> >>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in the face of how
>>their
>> >>> >>> needs
>> >>> >>> continue to grow.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes in sight
>> >>> >>> when
>> >>> Ty
>> >>> >>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, and Xzibit
>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>deliver a
>> >>> >>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous Brothers >>>
>>Construction
>> >>> >>> and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and give them
>>the >>> key
>> >>> >>> to
>> >>> >>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The Andersons will
>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>vacation
>> >>> >>> in
>> >>> >>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
>> >>> >>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme Makeover: Home
>> >>> >>>  >>>
>>Edition,"
>> >>> >>> now
>> >>> >>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a division of
>> >>> >>> Endemol
>> >>> >>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and George
>> >>> >>> Verschoor.
>> >>> >>> David
>> >>> >>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The show airs
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