[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Sat Dec 4 16:42:13 UTC 2010


I have a friend who makes lots of items to sell. All done on his own.
It is beautiful items.

Original message:
> Got news for you man.  At the Louisiana Center for the Blind shop, they 
> measure down to the 32nd inch.  As for the rest, maybe I don't have 
> personal experience in those things, but, com on now.  That doesn't 
> mean it can't be done.  I think we have a fundamintal difference in 
> understanding what the blind can really do here.


> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

> Skype Name:
> barefootedray

> On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:29 AM, Bryan Schulz wrote:

>> hi,

>> sometimes it depends on the task.
>> say cutting a sheet of plywood, i believe a blind guy can operate the 
>> saw and cut the sheet but i don't believe it could be done without the 
>> start and end point being more than 1/16th of an inch different and as 
>> fast as a sighted carpenter and that's the point people refuse to accept.
>> getting the job done is possible but the public doesn't tolerate time 
>> lags taken by the blind cohart.
>> now days, air compressors run nail guns and you only get one pop. is 
>> the blind guy going to knowwhen the nail goes into the sheet and misses 
>> the stud with all the noise?
>> how happy is the boss going to be when you just blew 10 minutes doing a 
>> line of nails and you were not hitting the stud?

>> Bryan Schulz

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again


>>> In an attempt to keep on topic, let me remind you that sighted folks 
>>> don't hit the mail on the head every time.  They mash their fingers 
>>> too.  YOu think they don't have accidents?  Well, guess what, they do.  
>>> I'm trying real hard not to make assumptions about you or your level of 
>>> independance, but, I'd just like to put one question to you sir.  Do 
>>> you not believe in your heart of hearts that the blind can really do 
>>> these things?  Seems to me we cannot have a very meaningful discussion 
>>> until we address that one.


>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray

>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:

>>>> hi,

>>>> i'm not taking it personal.
>>>> what irks me is that blind people get pissed if they are told they 
>>>> can't do something and take it as because you are blind and don't stop 
>>>> to consider what is reality or what makes sense.
>>>> of course a blind person can swing a hammer or use a power saw but are 
>>>> they going to be able to hold a board with one handand hit the nail 
>>>> dead center every swing or cutthe the line exactly while keeping a half 
>>>> sheet of plywood from falling with the other hand and the point that 
>>>> blind people fail to accept is will those or other tasks even come 
>>>> close to the speed of a sighted carpenter?
>>>> are people really going to demand that the entire crew should be blind?
>>>> do you really think that a sighted crew would allow a blind guy to be 
>>>> up on the roof slinging the plywood?

>>>> Bryan Schulz

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again


>>>>> Hey, it aint personal.  How come you gotta take it personally?  What's 
>>>>> the matter?  Can't stand truly independant blind people?  I see it all 
>>>>> the time.  The dependant blind call the independant blind "super 
>>>>> blinks". Why?  Well, my own idea about that is that they are jealous of 
>>>>> what we have and are; but, instead of bettering themselves, they get mad.

>>>>> tisk tisk tisk.


>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:

>>>>>> put up some $$ cuz they say bs walks!
>>>>>> i'm tired of people talking smack and telling other people they are 
>>>>>> full of sh$$ about various topics.
>>>>>> i have been going to professional nhra drag races for 20 years and the 
>>>>>> teams do rebuild an alcohol or nitro motor in about 30 minutes after each run.

>>>>>> Jay Blake owns the follow a dream alcohol funny car and he is 
>>>>>> completely capable of working on the motor but not at the same pace as 
>>>>>> sighted mechanics on race day and has the sense to accept that instead 
>>>>>> of being a weak link.

>>>>>> Bryan Schulz

>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again


>>>>>>> Got news for you bro.  There's no way it takes just thirty minutes. 
>>>>>>> You've heard of editing right?


>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:

>>>>>>>> don't play the pity card bro!
>>>>>>>> i'm just telling people what happens in the real world outside of the 
>>>>>>>> nfb bubble.
>>>>>>>> did you understand it's the pace and not the ability?
>>>>>>>> the man's race team completely rebuilds a  motor in 30 minutes.
>>>>>>>> i would love to see the blind man actually spinning the air gun and 
>>>>>>>> working on the motor on race day but he has realized that the team has 
>>>>>>>> more success when he stays out of the way and let his employees perform 
>>>>>>>> the rebuild.

>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz

>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:11 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again


>>>>>>>>> And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they are?  Don't 
>>>>>>>>> you think there are any blind people actually involved in the building 
>>>>>>>>> of their own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of 
>>>>>>>>> anything? Oh, of course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state 
>>>>>>>>> provided reading radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.


>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> wishful thinking...
>>>>>>>>>> people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>>>>>>>>>> a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship f-ups 
>>>>>>>>>> and people running everywhere.
>>>>>>>>>> you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of drywall with 
>>>>>>>>>> material and tools all over the site without falling?
>>>>>>>>>> you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy who owns a 
>>>>>>>>>> racing team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to the 
>>>>>>>>>> time limits.

>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz

>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode" 
>>>>>>>>>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again


>>>>>>>>>>> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can implement it, 
>>>>>>>>>>> people would certainly get a different perspective on what blind people 
>>>>>>>>>>> are really like.

>>>>>>>>>>> Connie Canode
>>>>>>>>>>> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know of only one way to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and competent 
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind people on the make over crew.  Once we do that, maybe they'll get 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the idea.  Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind 
>>>>>>>>>>>> people at least helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't let us officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> professional make-over crew.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?


>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello John and everyone,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>    If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning > an
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd > understand >  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > why >  > the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition > continues
>>>>>>>>>>>> to portray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>>>>>>>>>>>> modifications to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets >  > >  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > incidents
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the one I described in my message earlier this morning > will
>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't prove > that >  > the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an episode > of
>>>>>>>>>>>> this show
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV > network
>>>>>>>>>>>> continues
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly > be
>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my book.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue


>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again


>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a > >  > > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disability
>>>>>>>>>>>>> advocate.


>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again


>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel the same way.  First question that came to find...If >> >> these 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>  >> >> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their >> >> >>  >> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabilities, >> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have learned so much in the four years they've been >> blind, >>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> why >>  >> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around >> them?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again


>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle? >> >>  >> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone >>  >> care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess why?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q From: Mary Watkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into >>> ABC'S >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> "Extreme
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S >>> "Extreme >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> Makeover:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Home Edition"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those >>> interested >>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology for people who are blind or have low vision to >>> tune >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Extreme
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, December 5. >>> While >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>  >>>  >>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide any specific information on what will be seen and >>> heard >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> (it >>>  >>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much >>> >>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awareness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the services and products now available for people who >>> have >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> limited or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the information the production company has released >>> in >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this episode:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected the >>>  >>> >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anderson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the call to >>>  >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> action >>>  >>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness of the >>> >>>  >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstacles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into their >>>  >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, >>>  >>>  >>> Andre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and >>> counseling >>>  >>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by connecting them with resources to help them live and lead >>>  >>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the >>> >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitive >>>  >>>  >>> role
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine have >>> never >>>  >>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to complete grad >>>  >>> >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school, >>>  >>> run a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> center for people with disabilities, created a support group, >>>  >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>  >>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is >>> >>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, Jasison and >>>  >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Jahzion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced >>>  >>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While they continue to empower their community, the family >>> has >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> hit >>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has >>> >>> become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complicated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in the face of >>> how >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to grow.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes in >>> sight >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> when >>> Ty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, and >>> Xzibit >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> deliver a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous Brothers >>>  >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>> Construction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and give >>>  >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>  >>> the >>> key
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The Andersons >>> will >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> vacation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crested Butte, Colorado.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme Makeover: >>> Home >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> Edition,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a division of >>>  >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Endemol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and George >>> >>>  >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Verschoor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The show airs >>>  >>> >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sundays >>>  >>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About the Media Access Group at WGBH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a Services >>> >>>  >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> division >>>  >>> and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research and development division--the Carl and Ruth Shapiro >>>  >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and delivered >>> >>>  >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> captioned >>>  >>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described media for nearly four decades to people in their >>>  >>> homes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classrooms, at work and in the community. And the Media >>> Access >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> Group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continues to develop new solutions to access challenges as >>>  >>> >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> technology,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of the group's >>>  >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>  >>> collective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff represent the leading experts in their fields and their >>>  >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> success >>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exemplified by a history of accomplishments and continuous >>>  >>> >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growth, >>>  >>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integration of innovative products and services into society >>> at >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> large,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the enthusiastic support of the audiences served, including >>> 36 >>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> >>> million
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are deaf, hard of hearing, blind or have low >>> vision. >>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>  >>> More
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information about the Media Access Group at WGBH can be found >>>  >>> at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://access.wgbh.org.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contact:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary Watkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mary_watkins at wgbh.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 617 300-3700


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RyanO


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