[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
d m gina
dmgina at samobile.net
Sat Dec 4 16:42:13 UTC 2010
I have a friend who makes lots of items to sell. All done on his own.
It is beautiful items.
Original message:
> Got news for you man. At the Louisiana Center for the Blind shop, they
> measure down to the 32nd inch. As for the rest, maybe I don't have
> personal experience in those things, but, com on now. That doesn't
> mean it can't be done. I think we have a fundamintal difference in
> understanding what the blind can really do here.
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:29 AM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>> hi,
>> sometimes it depends on the task.
>> say cutting a sheet of plywood, i believe a blind guy can operate the
>> saw and cut the sheet but i don't believe it could be done without the
>> start and end point being more than 1/16th of an inch different and as
>> fast as a sighted carpenter and that's the point people refuse to accept.
>> getting the job done is possible but the public doesn't tolerate time
>> lags taken by the blind cohart.
>> now days, air compressors run nail guns and you only get one pop. is
>> the blind guy going to knowwhen the nail goes into the sheet and misses
>> the stud with all the noise?
>> how happy is the boss going to be when you just blew 10 minutes doing a
>> line of nails and you were not hitting the stud?
>> Bryan Schulz
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>> In an attempt to keep on topic, let me remind you that sighted folks
>>> don't hit the mail on the head every time. They mash their fingers
>>> too. YOu think they don't have accidents? Well, guess what, they do.
>>> I'm trying real hard not to make assumptions about you or your level of
>>> independance, but, I'd just like to put one question to you sir. Do
>>> you not believe in your heart of hearts that the blind can really do
>>> these things? Seems to me we cannot have a very meaningful discussion
>>> until we address that one.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>> hi,
>>>> i'm not taking it personal.
>>>> what irks me is that blind people get pissed if they are told they
>>>> can't do something and take it as because you are blind and don't stop
>>>> to consider what is reality or what makes sense.
>>>> of course a blind person can swing a hammer or use a power saw but are
>>>> they going to be able to hold a board with one handand hit the nail
>>>> dead center every swing or cutthe the line exactly while keeping a half
>>>> sheet of plywood from falling with the other hand and the point that
>>>> blind people fail to accept is will those or other tasks even come
>>>> close to the speed of a sighted carpenter?
>>>> are people really going to demand that the entire crew should be blind?
>>>> do you really think that a sighted crew would allow a blind guy to be
>>>> up on the roof slinging the plywood?
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>> Hey, it aint personal. How come you gotta take it personally? What's
>>>>> the matter? Can't stand truly independant blind people? I see it all
>>>>> the time. The dependant blind call the independant blind "super
>>>>> blinks". Why? Well, my own idea about that is that they are jealous of
>>>>> what we have and are; but, instead of bettering themselves, they get mad.
>>>>> tisk tisk tisk.
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>> put up some $$ cuz they say bs walks!
>>>>>> i'm tired of people talking smack and telling other people they are
>>>>>> full of sh$$ about various topics.
>>>>>> i have been going to professional nhra drag races for 20 years and the
>>>>>> teams do rebuild an alcohol or nitro motor in about 30 minutes after each run.
>>>>>> Jay Blake owns the follow a dream alcohol funny car and he is
>>>>>> completely capable of working on the motor but not at the same pace as
>>>>>> sighted mechanics on race day and has the sense to accept that instead
>>>>>> of being a weak link.
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>> Got news for you bro. There's no way it takes just thirty minutes.
>>>>>>> You've heard of editing right?
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>>> don't play the pity card bro!
>>>>>>>> i'm just telling people what happens in the real world outside of the
>>>>>>>> nfb bubble.
>>>>>>>> did you understand it's the pace and not the ability?
>>>>>>>> the man's race team completely rebuilds a motor in 30 minutes.
>>>>>>>> i would love to see the blind man actually spinning the air gun and
>>>>>>>> working on the motor on race day but he has realized that the team has
>>>>>>>> more success when he stays out of the way and let his employees perform
>>>>>>>> the rebuild.
>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:11 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>> And what would you propose? Leaving things the way they are? Don't
>>>>>>>>> you think there are any blind people actually involved in the building
>>>>>>>>> of their own homes? Could it be that you don't think we do much of
>>>>>>>>> anything? Oh, of course. Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state
>>>>>>>>> provided reading radio service. Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> wishful thinking...
>>>>>>>>>> people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>>>>>>>>>> a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship f-ups
>>>>>>>>>> and people running everywhere.
>>>>>>>>>> you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of drywall with
>>>>>>>>>> material and tools all over the site without falling?
>>>>>>>>>> you don't get the pace. just like there is a blind guy who owns a
>>>>>>>>>> racing team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due to the
>>>>>>>>>> time limits.
>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>>>>>>>>>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>>>> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea. Now if we can implement it,
>>>>>>>>>>> people would certainly get a different perspective on what blind people
>>>>>>>>>>> are really like.
>>>>>>>>>>> Connie Canode
>>>>>>>>>>> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking. I know of only one way to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stop this. What we need to do is get some independent and competent
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind people on the make over crew. Once we do that, maybe they'll get
>>>>>>>>>>>> the idea. Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> people at least helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they
>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't let us officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> professional make-over crew.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello John and everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you take the time to read the message I sent concerning > an
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we had when looking for an apartment last spring you'd > understand >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > why > > the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home Edition > continues
>>>>>>>>>>>> to portray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>>>>>>>>>>>> modifications to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> home environment or a presumed dependency on a million gadgets > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > incidents
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the one I described in my message earlier this morning > will
>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen to blind people seeking housing. While we can't prove > that > > the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager at that apartment complex was influenced by an episode > of
>>>>>>>>>>>> this show
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where a blind person or a couple were featured if this TV > network
>>>>>>>>>>>> continues
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll certainly > be
>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my book.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disability
>>>>>>>>>>>>> advocate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel the same way. First question that came to find...If >> >> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their >> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabilities, >> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have learned so much in the four years they've been >> blind, >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> why >> >> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down around >> them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already skepticle? >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone >> >> care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q From: Mary Watkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: MAG_News at mail4.wgbh.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into >>> ABC'S >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> "Extreme
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S >>> "Extreme >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Makeover:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Home Edition"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those >>> interested >>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology for people who are blind or have low vision to >>> tune >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Extreme
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, December 5. >>> While >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>> >>> >>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide any specific information on what will be seen and >>> heard >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> (it >>> >>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much >>> >>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awareness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the services and products now available for people who >>> have >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> limited or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the information the production company has released >>> in >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this episode:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected the >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anderson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the call to >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> action >>> >>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inspired the community to heighten their awareness of the >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstacles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into their >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, >>> >>> >>> Andre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and >>> counseling >>> >>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by connecting them with resources to help them live and lead >>> >>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitive >>> >>> >>> role
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine have >>> never >>> >>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow them down. Together they have teamed to complete grad >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school, >>> >>> run a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> center for people with disabilities, created a support group, >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>> >>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is >>> >>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite having lost their sight after their sons, Jasison and >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Jahzion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced >>> >>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While they continue to empower their community, the family >>> has >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> hit >>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has >>> >>> become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complicated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and hazardous for them to live in especially in the face of >>> how >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to grow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes in >>> sight >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> when >>> Ty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, and >>> Xzibit >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> deliver a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous Brothers >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Construction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and give >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>> >>> the >>> key
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The Andersons >>> will >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> vacation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crested Butte, Colorado.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme Makeover: >>> Home >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Edition,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a division of >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Endemol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and George >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Verschoor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The show airs >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sundays >>> >>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About the Media Access Group at WGBH
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