[nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

Sat Dec 4 17:34:14 UTC 2010

hi,

it wasn't difficult, it didn't happen.
I obtained computer programming degrees, did the interview and job fair 
circuit for about 2 years and never a nibble about 10 years ago.
Created personal business such as hardware/software support.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again

> Bryan,
>
> I think blind people have to be willing to start somewhere.  Does it take
> more time at first?  Certainly.  People have not denied this, but your
> rhetoric would make us believe that the initial extra time makes the
> occupation not even worth considering.  The only way anyone ever gets good
> at anything is through time and practice, and if people never try to start
> somewhere, the would-be employers will never be willing to give people a
> chance.  If I may ask, what field do you work in, and how difficult was it
> for you to instill confidence in your employers to give you a fair shake?
> I'm not challenging you as much as hoping to help you see that we should 
> not
> lay out blanket statements that might otherwise discourage people from
> pursuing their chosen line of work the same way you would not have wanted
> others to discourage you from your chosen field.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 11:30 AM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
> don't know what you are talking about but seems like there are
> far more that
> don't want to accept the fact that alternative techniques to
> accomplish the
> same task as a sighted builder will take more time.
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gloria Whipple" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>
>
>> He is just like the other one we talked about on the phone.
>>
>> They don't want to admit the truth.
>>
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>> Corresponding Secretary
>> Inland Empire chapter
>> nfb of WA
>>
>> cell number: 509-475-4993
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:05 AM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>
>> Maybe it's you who doesn't get our point.  I feel like I
> would make more
>> progress convencing a brick wall.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>
>>> everyone doesn't get the speed point.
>>> how much extra time did it take him compared to same skill
> of a sighted
>> builder and how much material had to be recut?
>>>
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>
>>>
>>>> We have a very close friend, totally blind who can do just about
>> anything. He repairs cars, he remodeled his basement, rebuilding the
>> steps,
>> and recently built us a porch on the back of our house.  He built a
>> beautiful deck on his own house and did it single-handedly.  He does
>> electrical work, plumbing and just about anything else you
> can name.  I
>> wish
>> my husband could do what he can do.  It would have saved us a
> ton of money
>> years ago before I knew him.  Of course we paid for the
> porch, but since
>> he
>> is a friend, we made a good deal.  Never under-estimate the
> ability of a
>> competent blind person.  With the right tools and knowledge,
> you can do
>> whatever you choose.
>>>>
>>>> Connie Canode
>>>> At 09:13 AM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a life.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>>> Corresponding Secretary
>>>>> Inland Empire chapter
>>>>> nfb of WA
>>>>>
>>>>> cell number: 509-475-4993
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:11 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>>
>>>>> And what would you propose?  Leaving things the way they
> are?  Don't
>>>>> you
>>>>> think there are any blind people actually involved in the
> building of
>> their
>>>>> own homes?  Could it be that you don't think we do much of
> anything?
>> Oh, of
>>>>> course.  Sit in rocking chairs and listen to our state
> provided reading
>>>>> radio service.  Yeah, that's the life for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > wishful thinking...
>>>>> > people here have no clue what happens in the one week build.
>>>>> > a relative worked on one and there were all kind of worksmanship
>>>>> > f-ups
>>> and
>>>>> people running everywhere.
>>>>> > you really think a blind guy is going to carry sheets of
> drywall with
>>>>> material and tools all over the site without falling?
>>>>> > you don't get the pace.  just like there is a blind guy
> who owns a >
>> racing
>>>>> team but doesn't do the actual repair during race day due
> to the time
>>>>> limits.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bryan Schulz
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Canode"
>>>>> <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:43 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Ray, that is an absolutely awesome idea.  Now if we can
> implement
>>>>> >> it,
>>>>> people would certainly get a different perspective on what
> blind people
>> are
>>>>> really like.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Connie Canode
>>>>> >> At 11:43 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> >>> YOu know Peter, I was just kind of thinking.  I know
> of only one
>>>>> >>> way
>>>>> to
>>>>> stop this.  What we need to do is get some independent and
> competent
>> blind
>>>>> people on the make over crew.  Once we do that, maybe
> they'll get the
>> idea.
>>>>> Barring that, maybe we ought to have some competent blind people at
>> least
>>>>> helping out on a make-over project; since I'm sure they
> wouldn't let us
>>>>> officially be part of what I presume bills itself as a professional
>>>>> make-over crew.
>>>>> >>> Thoughts?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Skype Name:
>>>>> >>> barefootedray
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> > Hello John and everyone,
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >    If you take the time to read the message I sent
> concerning an
>>>>> >>> experience
>>>>> >>> > we had when looking for an apartment last spring
> you'd understand
>>>>> > why
>>>>> > the
>>>>> >>> > red flags are flying. If Extreme Make-Over Home
> Edition continues
>>>>> >>> to portray
>>>>> >>> > us as helpless unable to live on our own without major
>>>>> >>> modifications to the
>>>>> >>> > home environment or a presumed dependency on a
> million gadgets >
>>>>> incidents
>>>>> >>> > like the one I described in my message earlier this
> morning will
>>>>> >>> continue to
>>>>> >>> > happen to blind people seeking housing. While we
> can't prove that
>>>>> > the
>>>>> >>> > manager at that apartment complex was influenced by
> an episode of
>>>>> >>> this show
>>>>> >>> > where a blind person or a couple were featured if
> this TV network
>>>>> >>> continues
>>>>> >>> > to cast us as unable to manage our own home they'll
> certainly be
>>>>> >>> suspect in
>>>>> >>> > my book.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Peter Donahue
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> > From: "John Heim" <john at johnheim.net>
>>>>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Well, I'd presume because you don't make a lot of money as a
>>>>> disability
>>>>> >>> > advocate.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> > From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>>> >>> > To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:40 PM
>>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >> I feel the same way.  First question that came to find...If
>>>>> >>> >> these
>>>>> >>  >>
>>>>> people
>>>>> >>> >> are
>>>>> >>> >> so fantastic and can motivate everyone to get past their
>>>>> disabilities, >> and
>>>>> >>> >> they have learned so much in the four years they've
> been blind,
>>>>> >> why
>>>>> >> can't
>>>>> >>> >> they maintain their house so it isn't falling down
> around them?
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> Cindy
>>>>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>> >>> >> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:16 PM
>>>>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Here We Go Again
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> I hate to be this way, but, how come I'm already
> skepticle? >>>
>>>> Anyone
>>>>> >> care
>>>>> >>> >> to
>>>>> >>> >> guess why?
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> Skype Name:
>>>>> >>> >> barefootedray
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Ryan O wrote:
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>>>> >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:06 PM
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