[nfb-talk] Enough already!

Tue Dec 14 04:30:17 UTC 2010

Mike, the Ibill is $100. The thing is about the size of one of those
giga-pets we had as kids. I would probably pay $20 for the Ibill.
That's reasonable, because of the size of it, (just my oppinion.)

On 12/13/10, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> Joshua:
>
> I think I'm going to surprise Ray with my response to you.  While I don't
> disagree with you, I guess I wonder what the problem is.  The iBill costs
> around a hundred bucks.  That's a little over ten packs of cigarettes, 25
> beers or frapacinos, 5 movie tickets ... you get the idea.  Put another way,
> it's extraordinary how much we sometimes complain about the cost of access
> tech even when the cost is reasonable when we hear narry a peep when we
> frivolously consume comestibles that we could perfectly-well do without in
> order to save up for it.
>
> On the other hand, I believe the government giving away of currency
> identifiers such as the iBill was part of a proposal to handle the currency
> matter from the Department of the Treasury.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Enough already!
>
>
>> Did anyone read my post from earlier in this thread? The solution to
>> this problem would be for the company that manufactures the Ibill, to
>> lower the price. That would be the way to go, (IMO.) Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 12/13/10, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E] <Terry.Powers at nih.gov> wrote:
>>> I do not think the NFB is totally against changing curancy.  It is the
>>> cost
>>> and desiding what design would fit the needs of everyone and be easily
>>> identified.  We are in finantial trouble and it would caust way, way,
>>> more
>>> to restructure all of our bank machines and vending machines in the US
>>> than
>>> it most likely would cost to give those who could not afford one, an
>>> I-bill.
>>>  We would have to have machines to transfer the old money into new or the
>>> machines would also have to accommodate the old bills.  This would be a
>>> long
>>> and had transaction.  It is not something that can be done over night.  I
>>> think finding jobs and cleaning up our finantial problem is much more
>>> important.  We have delt with currancy of the same size for many a year
>>> and
>>> it would just put our country in a deeper debt.  We need to find jobs for
>>> our people and get out of this recession.  I have an I-bill and since I
>>> am
>>> used to folding money and seperating my bills and I have a little sight,
>>> surprisingly, I do not use it as much as I thought I would.
>>>
>>> Terry Powers
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John G. Heim [mailto:john at johnheim.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:52 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Enough already!
>>>
>>> You'd like to make me out to be a bad guy for arguing in favor of things
>>> like described video, accessible money, and audible walk signals. But its
>>> just not true. Those issues are at least debatable. The real question is
>>> why
>>> there are so few people on this list on my side.
>>>
>>> And I'd be only too willing to leave the NFB alone if it would leave me
>>> alone. But it keeps doing things that make my life harder and even more
>>> dangerous. This is an extraordinary thing for an advocacy group to do.
>>> You
>>> don't see groups for people in wheelchairs fighting against ramps and
>>> curb
>>> cuts. So again, I have to wonder why there aren't more people on my side
>>> on
>>> this list.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure, for example, that most blind people favor DVS,
>>> accessible
>>> money, and audible walk signals. I mean, I haven't done any formal
>>> surveys
>>> but when I tell blind people about the NFB positions, they are always
>>> shocked. Rest assured, I do my best to fairly represent the NFB position
>>> on
>>> these issues. I don't hate the NFB, after all. But still, given the way
>>> most
>>> people react to the NFB's positions on these issues, I have to wonder why
>>> there aren't more people on my side on this list.
>>>
>>> I want people to start using their heads instead of just passively
>>> accepting
>>> whatever the NFB tells them. The NFB tells them black is white, that up
>>> is
>>> down, and they just believe it. That's not even that much of an
>>> exaggeration. In the past few years, the NFB has told us that DVS would
>>> cost
>>> blind people jobs, that accessible money would cost us jobs, and that
>>> audible walk signals are dangerous.  These issues don't deserve debate?
>>>
>>> Oh, I think they do.
>>>
>>> PS: I have never complained to the moderator about anything, much less
>>> about
>>> being insulted on this list.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 2:05 PM
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Enough already!
>>>
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> Have you noticed the trend of discussions on this list over the past
>>>> couple of years or so?  I have, and I've double-checked the archives to
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>> sure I wasn't reading something into it.  The pattern is that every
>>>> large
>>>> discussion seems to involve one group of people arguing for the ability
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>> the blind, for the NFB, its policies, and its mission.  The other side
>>>> of
>>>> the discussion is generally one person.
>>>>
>>>> The pattern of the discussion is that the individual says something
>>>> incendiary against one of the above, something I have a hard time
>>>> accepting is unintentional at this point.  The group reacts, some with
>>>> distaste, some with disagreement, and some with anger.  This last group
>>>> has taken the bait, if you will.
>>>>
>>>> This is where you come in, because inevitably the individual insists
>>>> that
>>>> he is "offended" and "baselessly attacked" for his views.  You defend
>>>> him,
>>>>
>>>> going so far as to threaten to ban longtime regulars and well-respected
>>>> federationists.  The individual takes this as a sign that he may stand
>>>> behind you, and continue to insult not only us few here, but everything
>>>> this organization stands for.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that there is not a single person on this list that does not
>>>> know
>>>>
>>>> of whom I speak is evidence in and of itself.  It's really got to stop.
>>>> Those who would not be flamed should not make a habit of setting fires.
>>>> Having set a few myself over the years, it comes with the territory.
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 10:19:24PM -0600, David Andrews wrote:
>>>>>This is a personal attack and is totally unacceptable.  You can disagree
>>>>>with someone -- but please stick to facts, not speculation etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>David Andrews, Moderator
>>>>>
>>>>>At 03:09 PM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>I agree Gloria.  He is a very shallow person, and I don't care of his
>>>>>>$250,000 house is paid off or not.  He could rip off Bernie Madoff, the
>>>>>>biggest cheat in the world, and he wouldn't impress me..smile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Connie Canode
>>>>>
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