[nfb-talk] Enough already!

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Tue Dec 14 05:02:05 UTC 2010 

Yup; I have one.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Enough already!


> Mike, the Ibill is $100. The thing is about the size of one of those
> giga-pets we had as kids. I would probably pay $20 for the Ibill.
> That's reasonable, because of the size of it, (just my oppinion.)
>
> On 12/13/10, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> Joshua:
>>
>> I think I'm going to surprise Ray with my response to you.  While I don't
>> disagree with you, I guess I wonder what the problem is.  The iBill costs
>> around a hundred bucks.  That's a little over ten packs of cigarettes, 25
>> beers or frapacinos, 5 movie tickets ... you get the idea.  Put another 
>> way,
>> it's extraordinary how much we sometimes complain about the cost of 
>> access
>> tech even when the cost is reasonable when we hear narry a peep when we
>> frivolously consume comestibles that we could perfectly-well do without 
>> in
>> order to save up for it.
>>
>> On the other hand, I believe the government giving away of currency
>> identifiers such as the iBill was part of a proposal to handle the 
>> currency
>> matter from the Department of the Treasury.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Enough already!
>>
>>
>>> Did anyone read my post from earlier in this thread? The solution to
>>> this problem would be for the company that manufactures the Ibill, to
>>> lower the price. That would be the way to go, (IMO.) Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 12/13/10, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E] <Terry.Powers at nih.gov> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I do not think the NFB is totally against changing curancy.  It is the
>>>> cost
>>>> and desiding what design would fit the needs of everyone and be easily
>>>> identified.  We are in finantial trouble and it would caust way, way,
>>>> more
>>>> to restructure all of our bank machines and vending machines in the US
>>>> than
>>>> it most likely would cost to give those who could not afford one, an
>>>> I-bill.
>>>>  We would have to have machines to transfer the old money into new or 
>>>> the
>>>> machines would also have to accommodate the old bills.  This would be a
>>>> long
>>>> and had transaction.  It is not something that can be done over night. 
>>>> I
>>>> think finding jobs and cleaning up our finantial problem is much more
>>>> important.  We have delt with currancy of the same size for many a year
>>>> and
>>>> it would just put our country in a deeper debt.  We need to find jobs 
>>>> for
>>>> our people and get out of this recession.  I have an I-bill and since I
>>>> am
>>>> used to folding money and seperating my bills and I have a little 
>>>> sight,
>>>> surprisingly, I do not use it as much as I thought I would.
>>>>
>>>> Terry Powers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John G. Heim [mailto:john at johnheim.net]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:52 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Enough already!
>>>>
>>>> You'd like to make me out to be a bad guy for arguing in favor of 
>>>> things
>>>> like described video, accessible money, and audible walk signals. But 
>>>> its
>>>> just not true. Those issues are at least debatable. The real question 
>>>> is
>>>> why
>>>> there are so few people on this list on my side.
>>>>
>>>> And I'd be only too willing to leave the NFB alone if it would leave me
>>>> alone. But it keeps doing things that make my life harder and even more
>>>> dangerous. This is an extraordinary thing for an advocacy group to do.
>>>> You
>>>> don't see groups for people in wheelchairs fighting against ramps and
>>>> curb
>>>> cuts. So again, I have to wonder why there aren't more people on my 
>>>> side
>>>> on
>>>> this list.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure, for example, that most blind people favor DVS,
>>>> accessible
>>>> money, and audible walk signals. I mean, I haven't done any formal
>>>> surveys
>>>> but when I tell blind people about the NFB positions, they are always
>>>> shocked. Rest assured, I do my best to fairly represent the NFB 
>>>> position
>>>> on
>>>> these issues. I don't hate the NFB, after all. But still, given the way
>>>> most
>>>> people react to the NFB's positions on these issues, I have to wonder 
>>>> why
>>>> there aren't more people on my side on this list.
>>>>
>>>> I want people to start using their heads instead of just passively
>>>> accepting
>>>> whatever the NFB tells them. The NFB tells them black is white, that up
>>>> is
>>>> down, and they just believe it. That's not even that much of an
>>>> exaggeration. In the past few years, the NFB has told us that DVS would
>>>> cost
>>>> blind people jobs, that accessible money would cost us jobs, and that
>>>> audible walk signals are dangerous.  These issues don't deserve debate?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I think they do.
>>>>
>>>> PS: I have never complained to the moderator about anything, much less
>>>> about
>>>> being insulted on this list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 2:05 PM
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Enough already!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> David,
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you noticed the trend of discussions on this list over the past
>>>>> couple of years or so?  I have, and I've double-checked the archives 
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>> sure I wasn't reading something into it.  The pattern is that every
>>>>> large
>>>>> discussion seems to involve one group of people arguing for the 
>>>>> ability
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> the blind, for the NFB, its policies, and its mission.  The other side
>>>>> of
>>>>> the discussion is generally one person.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pattern of the discussion is that the individual says something
>>>>> incendiary against one of the above, something I have a hard time
>>>>> accepting is unintentional at this point.  The group reacts, some with
>>>>> distaste, some with disagreement, and some with anger.  This last 
>>>>> group
>>>>> has taken the bait, if you will.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is where you come in, because inevitably the individual insists
>>>>> that
>>>>> he is "offended" and "baselessly attacked" for his views.  You defend
>>>>> him,
>>>>>
>>>>> going so far as to threaten to ban longtime regulars and 
>>>>> well-respected
>>>>> federationists.  The individual takes this as a sign that he may stand
>>>>> behind you, and continue to insult not only us few here, but 
>>>>> everything
>>>>> this organization stands for.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that there is not a single person on this list that does not
>>>>> know
>>>>>
>>>>> of whom I speak is evidence in and of itself.  It's really got to 
>>>>> stop.
>>>>> Those who would not be flamed should not make a habit of setting 
>>>>> fires.
>>>>> Having set a few myself over the years, it comes with the territory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 10:19:24PM -0600, David Andrews wrote:
>>>>>>This is a personal attack and is totally unacceptable.  You can 
>>>>>>disagree
>>>>>>with someone -- but please stick to facts, not speculation etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David Andrews, Moderator
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 03:09 PM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>>>I agree Gloria.  He is a very shallow person, and I don't care of his
>>>>>>>$250,000 house is paid off or not.  He could rip off Bernie Madoff, 
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>biggest cheat in the world, and he wouldn't impress me..smile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Connie Canode
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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