[nfb-talk] [john at johnheim.com: unethical personal attacks]

[Aziza Cano]

Ray, I don't know what has been going on between you and John, or other 
members of this list serve, but if he is insulting us, the NFB or doing any 
of the other things you have aledged, responding in this manner is not a 
good way to rebuff it. Two wrongs don't make a right. Even if your intent is 
on the good side. Just a thought.
Who is th elist moderator? Does he/she have any thoughts?
Aziza
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [john at johnheim.com: unethical personal attacks]


> Let me answer this.  the list archive, (should you bother to look at it), 
> is just chucked full of your constant hatred of us.  John, if you hate us 
> so much, why do you bother sticking around and insulting us?  Wait.  I 
> think I can guess.  You do so because you have no life otherwise.  Such a 
> small mind.  Tisk tisk tisk.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!!!
>
> Now a proud Mac user!!!!!
>
> e-mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> skype:
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> On May 27, 2010, at 6:49 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
>
>> Joseph, if you're going to accuse me of misrepresenting the NFB position, 
>> its only fair that I should get to ask you what you mean by that. Won't 
>> you just explain exactly what I said that misrepresents the NFB position? 
>> All I can remember saying is that the NFB organized protests against 
>> audible signals in 2003. But that is true.
>>
>> We are both equally guilty of being unwilling to admit we're wrong. So 
>> that doesn't mean anything. You're not willing to admit to the validity 
>> of anything I've said, are you? It certainly seems somewhat hypocritical 
>> of you to criticize me for never admitting I'm wrong when you've never 
>> done that either. At least I'm willing to listen to your point of view.
>>
>> PS: I didn't threaten you. I have no ability to harm you in any way 
>> therefore I can't threaten you. It wouldn't hurt you to stop insulting me 
>> so thats not a threat.
>> .
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
>> <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:29 PM
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] [john at johnheim.com: unethical personal attacks]
>>
>>
>>> I do not take kindly to threats.  I take less kindly to them from 
>>> useless trolls looking to cause problems on NFB lists.  David can remove 
>>> me from the list if he must, but it's about time someone stood up to 
>>> your whining little anti-NFB rants cluttering up our mailing list.  For 
>>> my part you need to either learn what the NFB's position on issues 
>>> actually is, or stop claiming that you know what it is.
>>>
>>> This is something you have established over the course of several YEARS 
>>> now that you are unwilling or unable to do.  Not once have I ever seen 
>>> you accept another's view differing from your own as even valid, much 
>>> less correct.  That means your messages take the form of 
>>> anti-Federationist rants and whining about how YOU are so abused by the 
>>> rest of us.
>>>
>>> Take it somewhere else, I say.  We are sick of it here.
>>>
>>> With no more respect than you have earned from me,
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Forwarded message from "John G. Heim" <john at johnheim.com> -----
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:35:51 -0500
>>> From: "John G. Heim" <john at johnheim.com>
>>> To: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: unethical personal attacks
>>> Message-ID: <BDBED14451F24750AEF895438889B66F at math.wisc.edu>
>>>
>>> TIC,
>>> Would you please stop the personal attacks directed toward me on the 
>>> nfb-talk list? It is highly unethical for you to keep attacking me while 
>>> at the same time absolutely refusing to listen to my defense. I'd prefer 
>>> you'd stop attacking me but if you feel you must, you should at least 
>>> have the courtesy to listen to my defense.  If you don't either stop 
>>> attacking me or take me out of your mail filter, I'm going to have to 
>>> ask the moderator to intervene.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>
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