[nfb-talk] Fw: Implantedchip'allows blindpeople to detectobjects'

Sat Nov 6 02:33:36 UTC 2010

I love your comments.  Thanks.

Judy

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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: Implantedchip'allows blindpeople to 
detectobjects'

> Yes, I was going to say, I hadn't heard anything about Obama chipping 
> people
> either.  And as for tracking, that can be done anyway using a person's
> everpresent cell phone -- assuming anyone things you are a person to 
> watch.
> Well right wing or left wing, a bird still needs 2 wings to fly... Let's
> hope the current bunch in Washington can get this country out of the
> recession.
> (Kind of funny: I once saw Laura Ingram (conservative pundit) in an
> interview in which she joked that Michelle's Whitehouse garden was a "left
> wing plot".  Gotta have a sense of humor in politics...*smile*
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Outman" <woutman at earthlink.net>
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> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 3:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: Implanted chip'allows blindpeople to
> detectobjects'
>
>
> This idea of chipping people for information tracing(oh, I meant tracking)
> purposes sounds like something out of right wing conspiracy land.  That's
> not what implementation of electronic medical records means.
>
> I haven't heard this about the Obama plan from the most vehement opponents
> of the recently passed law who bloviate in the conservative echo chamber.
> There seems to be a parallel universe going on over there sometimes.  This
> is right up there with the non-existent death panels.
>
> Folks, total repeal of health care reform cannot and should not happen. 
> We
> should however be open to reasonable suggestions for improvement of the 
> plan
> which has been put in place, which in my opinion may in the end have been
> insufficient, but we'll have to wait and see on that score.
>
> As for the concept of something like this chip to restore vision that 
> might
> be a nice thing to have at some point.  I had a good amount of functional
> vision in my childhood so I have a good sense of what this would be like.
> This would itself be quite an adjustment just as losing sight is a big
> adjustment and I don't believe even after about twenty-five years I have
> totally adjusted and I am unsure sometimes whether I want to partially for
> fear of being unable to take advantage of a reasonable opportunity for
> vision should it be presented.
>
> We say blindness is a nuisance and many ways it is, but boy, it is a very
> big one sometimes.  This stirs up a lot of complex thoughts doesn't it?
>
> Bill Outman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Judy Jones
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:28 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: Implanted chip 'allows blindpeople to
> detectobjects'
>
> I'm all in favor of progress, and actually think a chip to replace the
> retina would be great, just because of the adventure.  But chip 
> implantation
>
> in general I have real objections to.  The ObamaCare plan is to start
> chipping people in 2013 and have it done by 2015.  The reasoning, of 
> course,
>
> is to expedite the health care management.  It really does make sense
> outwardly, but the reality is that if an informational chip is implanted,
> then it might be possiblt to track your whereabouts, keep track of your
> buying and selling patterns, etc.  I am not interested in being tracked 
> this
>
> way.  And this kind of chipping could be the precursor to what Bible
> prophecy calls "the mark of the beast."  Of course, we don't know for 
> sure,
> but it pays to be watchful.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gloria Whipple" <fairyfoot at webband.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: Implanted chip 'allows blindpeople to
> detectobjects'
>
>
>>I think it is stupid.
>>
>> Being blind doesn't stop me from doing things I like to do.
>>
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>>
>> cell number: 509-475-4993
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 9:15 AM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: Implanted chip 'allows blind people to
>> detectobjects'
>>
>> Nope.  My brain's just fine like it is.
>> Honestly, if one adjusts to blindness, why would one want such a thing?
>> IF
>> not well adjusted, then I suppose one might want such a thing.  but, what
>> with the programs we have in place, one would think such a chip
>> undesirable.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Gloria Whipple wrote:
>>
>>> Have no desires for that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>
>>> cell number: 509-475-4993
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:30 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fw: Implanted chip 'allows blind people to
>>> detectobjects'
>>>
>>> Thank God!
>>>
>>> This is great news!
>>>
>>
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>>>
>>>> What do you think about this Article?
>>>> Ken Chrane
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: Lela Behee
>>>> To: venetian-blind at googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:38 AM
>>>> Subject: Implanted chip 'allows blind people to detect objects'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Though this may not be helpful for those of us who have prosthetic eyes
>>>> and so have no retina, what a very exciting leap forward this is in
>>>> technology!
>>>> Praise our Lord!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2 November 2010 Last updated at 20:49 ET
>>>> Implanted chip 'allows blind people to detect objects'
>>>> By Neil Bowdler Science reporter, BBC News
>>>>
>>>> Miikka Terho is given the task of reading letters which together
>>>> misspell
>>
>>>> his
>>>> own name
>>>> A man with an inherited form of blindness has been able to identify
>>>> letters and
>>>> a clock face using a pioneering implant, researchers say.
>>>> Miikka Terho, 46, from Finland, was fitted with an experimental chip
>>>> behind his
>>>> retina in Germany. Success was also reported in other patients.
>>>>
>>>> The chip allows a patient to detect objects with their eyes, unlike a
>>>> rival
>>>> approach that uses an external camera.
>>>>
>>>> Details of the work are in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society
>> B.
>>>>
>>>> Professor Eberhart Zrenner, of Germany's University of Tuebingen, and
>>>> colleagues
>>>> at private company Retina Implant AG initially tested their sub-retinal
>>>> chip on
>>>> 11 people.
>>>> Some noticed no improvement as their condition was too advanced to
>> benefit
>>>
>>>> from
>>>> the implant, but a majority were able to pick out bright objects, Prof
>>>> Zrenner
>>>> told the BBC.
>>>>
>>>> However, it was only when the chip was placed further behind the 
>>>> retina,
>>>> in the
>>>> central macular area in three people, that they achieved the best
>> results.
>>>>
>>>> Two of these had lost their vision because of the inherited condition
>>>> retinitis
>>>> pigmentosa, or RP, the other because of a related inherited condition
>>>> called
>>>> choroideraemia.
>>>>
>>>> RP leads to the progressive degeneration of cells in the eye's retina,
>>>> resulting
>>>> in night blindness, tunnel vision and then usually permanent blindness.
>>>> The
>>>> symptoms can begin from early childhood.
>>>>
>>>> The best results were achieved with Mr Terho, who was able to recognise
>>>> cutlery
>>>> and a mug on a table, a clock face and discern seven different shades 
>>>> of
>>>> grey.
>>>> He was also able to move around a room independently and approach
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> In further tests he read large letters set out before him, including 
>>>> his
>>>> name,
>>>> which had been deliberately misspelled. He soon noticed it had been
>>>> spelt
>>
>>>> in the
>>>> same way as the Finnish racing driver Mika Hakkinnen.
>>>>
>>>> Three or four days after the implantation, when everything was healed, 
>>>> I
>>>> was
>>>> like wow, there's activity," he told the BBC from his home in Finland.
>>>> "Right after that, if my eye hit the light, then I was able to see
>>>> flashes, some
>>>> activity which I hadn't had.
>>>>
>>>> "Then day after day when we started working with it, practising, then I
>>>> started
>>>> seeing better and better all the time."
>>>>
>>>> Soon Mr Terho was able to read letters by training his mind to bring 
>>>> the
>>>> component lines that comprised the letters together.
>>>>
>>>> The prototype implant has now been removed, but he has been promised an
>>>> upgraded
>>>> version soon. He says it can make a difference to his life.
>>>>
>>>> "What I realised in those days was that it was such a great feeling to
>>>> focus on
>>>> something," he says.
>>>>
>>>> "Even having a limited ability to see with the chip, it will be good 
>>>> for
>>>> orientation, either walking somewhere or being able to see that
>>>> something
>>
>>>> is
>>>> before you even if you don't see all the tiny details of the object."
>>>>
>>>> Electrical impulses
>>>> The chip works by converting light that enters the eye into electrical
>>>> impulses
>>>> which are fed into the optic nerve behind the eye.
>>>>
>>>> It is externally powered and in the initial study was connected to a
>> cable
>>>
>>>> which
>>>> protruded from the skin behind the ear to connect with a battery.
>>>>
>>>> The team are now testing an upgrade in which the device is all 
>>>> contained
>>>> beneath
>>>> the skin, with power delivered though the skin via an external device
>> that
>>>
>>>> clips
>>>> behind the ear.
>>>>
>>>> This is by no means the only approach being taken by scientists to try
>>>> to
>>>> restore some visual ability to people with retinal dysfunction - what's
>>>> called
>>>> retinal dystrophy.
>>>>
>>>> A rival chip by US-based Second Sight that sits on top of the retina 
>>>> has
>>>> already
>>>> been implanted in patients, but that technique requires the patient to
>>>> be
>>
>>>> fitted
>>>> with a camera fixed to a pair of glasses.
>>>>
>>>> Charities gave the news of the latest work a cautious welcome.
>>>>
>>>> David Head, of the British Retinitis Pigmentosa Society, said: "It's
>>>> really
>>>> fascinating work, but it doesn't restore vision. It rather gives people
>>>> signals
>>>> which help them to interpret."
>>>>
>>>> Peoria Blind Center
>>>> www.peoriablindcenter.org
>>>> Here is the name of the group on facebook: PeoriArea Blind People's
>>>> Center.  Your friends on facebook are going to have to get on
>>>> their facebook account and search for the group's name to join, or to
>>>> see
>>
>>>> what we are about.
>>>>
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