[nfb-talk] FYI Are Braille's days as the great equalizer over?

Judy Jones jtj1 at cableone.net
Sat Nov 27 03:59:41 UTC 2010


I agree with you guys.  And how many educators have bothered to learn 
braille, or are required to learn by their administrators.

The exceptions to this, of course, are those who have personally dedicated 
their time and energy to helping blind students through braille 
transcription and teaching.  My hat goes off to them, but they are few and 
far between.

Judy

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I agree about the attitude.  Also, it is hard to convey a positive attitude
when blindness is new to a child and his parents.
Case in point: I met a mother whose young son had become blind from a
gunshot to his head in a tragic domestic violence situation.
Fortunately his sight was the only serious physical damage.
But she was asking me, when I met her, whether braille as important for all
blind children to learn.  I replied that it was very important, but on the
spot there, I couldn't think of good reasons why.  I since regret not being
more prepared with examples.
But when I said it was important, you could feel the sinking feeling in the
room.  I think she was thinking there was little hope -- like learning
braille was such a "blind" thing where blind had all its negative
stereotypes.  I decided maybe I wasn't the best person to try and help. (I'm
also in a wheelchair and so don't represent the general mobile blind
individual.  I also had a good education and work experience despite being
blind, but at the time I was on disability from work. Hence my feelings of
inadequacy.)
Anyway, braille is important and should be held up as something positive
rather than backward.
--le





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I think kids would learn braille if educators had the right attitude about
Braille.  Unfortunately, I think they still have the attitude that it's too
hard to teach them braille; braille is slower; if the kid has any residual
vision at all--even if it's just a little--they certainly don't need to
learn braille.

When I'm doing any serious editing of a document, braille is a must because
everything is right there at my fingertips.  Could I use the screen reader
to hear all the punctuation and paragraph marks, etc.?  Certainly, but I
think it's more efficient  with braille.  And when it comes to spelling,
nothing replaces being able to feel the characters with your fingers.

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ÎWell, I didn't say braille has no advantages so you are kind of disputing a
point I never made.


On the other hand, I don't really believe the particular advantages you
claim for braille are real. I find it hard to believe that learning braille
is an efficient way to become a better speller. I have little doubt that a
lot of blind kids are poor spellers but there are probably easier ways to
fix that than teaching them braille.

Don't get me wrong. When I went blind, I went out and learned braille.
I signed up for the Hadley School braille courses and learned it. But if I
wasn't already a braille advocate, I would not be convinced by your
arguments. I think if you go up to some kid who spends half his day on a
computer spelling words and tell him he has to take braille in order to
learn how to spell he'd think you were crazy.




On Nov 26, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Michael Hingson wrote:

> I respectfully disagree a bit.  I find that blind youth and "visually
> impaired" youth do find that they are at an advantage if they learn
> Braille.
> The proof is in part found in all those who have gone before who are
> young enough to have had access to at least some technology and who
> did not learn Braille for a variety of reasons including educators who
> prevented them from having the opportunity.  Also, I find  many youth
> today who haven't learned Braille who cannot appreciate formatting,
> who do not spell well, and who cannot write well formed sentences,
> something which the workplace zrequires more and more of employees.
>
> The ansilary benefits of Braille are the same as those benefits
> sighted people gain from learning print.  reading silently to
> yourself, for example, is different even for a blind person than from
> one reading via audio means.
> No matter what silent personal non verbal reading permits different
> thought processes and contemplations than reading via someone's or
> something's voice.  Without Braille we lose that opportunity.
>
> Finally, , remember that although Harry Potter may take up several
> volumes
> in Braille it takes up only a few hundred KB in a computer file.
> Reading
> Braille from paper or a refreshable display offers  all the benefits
> of Braille and modern technology gives us a way to keep down the space
> problem.
>
> "Modern Society and its educators" forget these concepts.  Braille
> must be encouraged and all blind persons, not just totally blind
> people, should learn it to be on an equal reading footing with our
> sighted counterparts.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
>
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> over?
>
> Well, I basically agree with you but I don't think we should totally
> dismiss the other point of view. I think the need to learn braille is
> becoming a tougher and tougher sell as young blind people get more and
> more into technology.
>
> Learning braille is really hard and for the few times you need it, its
> hard to say it's worth the effort. But in my opinion, it's like not
> having enough lifeboats on the titanic. Its like not getting your flu
> shot. Its like not buying insurance. Yeah, maybe you'll never need it.
> but if you do, you are going to be darn glad you took the time to
> learn it.
>
> this is probably the most valuable thing about the NFB philosophy.
> don't try to just slide by. Attack being blind Go after it. Learn how
> to use a computer, learn how to cross a street, and by all means,
> learn braille.
>
> This is how I approach my young friends who have lost their sight. get
> out there and get it done. Approach it like any other problem. Its
> going to take hard work. But to be the best blind guy you can be, you
> need braille.
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
>> Seems to me we've all heard this same sorry song and dance before.
>> Are the days of Print through as the great equalizer?  No?  If not,
>> why not?  I suspect I can guess how most fluent Braille readers will
>> come down on this one.  I don't read Braille as fluently as I really
>> should, but, seems to me that Braille is necessary to daily life.
>> this tired old song and dance of "Braile is being replaced by
>> technology" is the most stupid thing I think I've ever come across.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
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>> On Nov 26, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Michael Hingson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Are Braille's days as the great equalizer over?
>>>
>>>
>>> Keith Gillard taps away on his computer's Microsoft Egronomic
>>> keyboard at his home in Edmonton, Aug. 4, 2010. "Braille is not
>>> necessary to have a full and complete life as a blind Canadian," he
>>> says.
>>>
>>> Walter Tychnowicz for National Post
>>>
>>> Keith Gillard taps away on his computer's Microsoft Egronomic
>>> keyboard at his home in Edmonton, Aug. 4, 2010. "Braille is not
>>> necessary to have a full and complete life as a blind Canadian," he
>>> says.
>>>
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>>> Kenyon Wallace, National Post . Friday, Aug. 6, 2010
>>>
>>> The publication in 1829 of a small booklet explaining how a series
>>> of raised dots arranged in a line could teach the world's blind to
>>> read is one of modern history's great, if often overlooked, turning
>>> points.
>>>
>>> Once hailed as the great intellectual equalizer, Louis Braille's
>>> development of a new alphabet that could be read with the fingers is
>>> now at risk of being consigned to history, overtaken by the rapid
>>> pace of changing technology.
>>>
>>> Only 10% of blind school-aged children are taught Braille today;
>>> compared to about 50% in the 1960s, according to the U.S. National
>>> Federation of the Blind. The statistic is roughly the same for
>>> Canada.
>>>
>>> The prospect of Braille becoming obsolete has sparked a polarizing
>>> debate between advocates, educators and individuals over the causes
>>> of the code's decline and what to do about it.
>>>
>>> Advocates blame funding shortages, not enough qualified teachers,
>>> and decisions by administrators to deny Braille instruction to
>>> children with low vision because of an emphasis on encouraging these
>>> students to read print.
>>> Educators say this assessment couldn't be further from the truth and
>>> argue that today's diagnostic tools have honed the art of
>>> identifying those who truly require Braille instruction and those
>>> who don't.
>>>
>>> Others still - including many blind people - say advances in
>>> assistive technology, such as audiobooks, voice recognition software
>>> and computer screen-readers, have rendered Braille unnecessary in
>>> daily life.
>>> They say
>>> its cumbersome nature - a single Harry Potter book printed on
>>> Braille paper will fill a moving box - makes it impractical and
>>> unaffordable.
>>>
>>> "Braille is not necessary to have a full and complete life as a
>>> blind Canadian," said Edmonton resident Keith Gillard, who was born
>>> with retinitis pigmentosa, a degenerative eye condition that
>>> rendered him legally, but not completely, blind at birth. As a
>>> child, he was encouraged to use what vision he had to learn print,
>>> but not Braille. "They taught me how to touch type rather than learn
>>> Braille."
>>>
>>> By his mid-20s, the blurry fog obscuring his peripheral vision began
>>> to creep toward the centre of his eyes as his condition worsened.
>>> Mr.
>>> Gillard
>>> gauged the severity of his increasing blindness by his ability to
>>> see the lines on the ice at his local hockey rink each winter while
>>> playing on a blind hockey team.
>>>
>>> Now 49 and completely blind, he says he has contemplated learning
>>> Braille, but probably never will given the plethora of technological
>>> aids he uses at work as a federal civil servant and at home.
>>>
>>> "Adaptive technology has opened up the world of education and
>>> employment for blind Canadians. Braille hasn't done that," he said.
>>>
>>> "I recognize the benefits. Would I be better off as a blind Canadian
>>> if I was a proficient Braille reader? I think I would be. Is it
>>> necessary for me to be successful? No."
>>>
>>> Up until nine years ago, Sarah Empey, 35, had full eyesight. When
>>> she was 26, the Type 1 diabetic suffered complications due to high
>>> blood pressure and started to go blind. Despite several operations,
>>> she now has only 15% vision in her right eye.
>>>
>>> She intends to learn Braille one day, but hasn't found the need for
>>> it yet, and has learned only numbers.
>>>
>>> "It's not something I would use at this point," says Ms. Empey, a
>>> Calgary resident and short film director.
>>>
>>> She uses a program on her computer called ZoomText, which magnifies
>>> text and uses an audio device called a VictorReader to listen to
>>> books.
>>>
>>> "Some people are fine with technology doing everything for them. I
>>> do see Braille as slightly dying off, but for me, Braille still
>>> means more independence [in the future]."
>>>
>>> Twenty years ago, the predominant philosophy governing education of
>>> the blind was to maximize the efficiency of whatever vision students
>>> had in a regular classroom with their sighted peers. This required
>>> partially blind children to use a myriad of tools such as monocular
>>> telescopes to see the blackboard, magnifying glasses, bold markers
>>> and large-print books.
>>> These
>>> tools evolved through the 1980s to include small cameras students
>>> could roll over text that would be blown up on a closed circuit
>>> television.
>>>
>>> "Braille was never given to them as an option because if you had
>>> vision, you were supposed to use vision," said Dr. Carol Farrenkopf,
>>> coordinator of the Toronto District School Board's Vision Program.
>>>
>>> It wasn't until the mid-1990s that teachers began using a tool
>>> called a "learning media assessment," using observations and
>>> timed-readings to determine if Braille should be introduced.
>>>
>>> Another factor driving down the rate of Braille use is the fact that
>>> those who go blind later in life due to medical conditions, such as
>>> diabetes and macular degeneration, already have literacy skills and
>>> are therefore less likely to be inclined to learn a new writing
>>> system.
>>>
>>> "A 60-year-old woman working who already knows how to read and write
>>> and then loses her vision, why does she need to learn Braille when
>>> she can keep going with technology?" said Ms. Farrenkopf.
>>>
>>> She stresses that not all blind children need to be taught Braille.
>>>
>>> "Legal blindness is not the same thing as being totally blind,"
>>> said Ms.
>>> Farrenkopf, noting that 20/200 vision - legal blindness - is still
>>> functional vision. (Someone with 20/200 can see a letter at 20 feet
>>> while a person with normal vision can see the same letter from 200
>>> feet.)
>>>
>>> "Kids with 20/200 vision don't need to be reading Braille."
>>>
>>> That opinion is not shared by all Braille advocates, who wonder at
>>> the logic of not teaching the system to children when many eye
>>> conditions are degenerative.
>>>
>>> "They're in the school system where people are being encouraged to
>>> use the technology and their remaining vision at the expense of
>>> learning Braille that will prepare them for vision loss as they get
>>> older," said CNIB spokeswoman Ellie Shuster.
>>>
>>> Advocates also say the integration of blind children within the
>>> regular school system means less one-on-one time between teachers
>>> and students and therefore less consistent Braille instruction. The
>>> result, they say, is that many students end up being functionally
>>> illiterate.
>>>
>>> "School districts across the country, in general, don't adequately
>>> support Braille instruction," said Betty Nobel, president of the
>>> Canadian Braille Authority. "In the primary grades, kids should have
>>> daily Braille instruction, but they're not getting that."
>>>
>>> Forty years ago, Canada was home to several residential schools for
>>> the blind, where all students were expected to learn Braille. There
>>> is only one such school remaining today: W. Ross Macdonald School
>>> for the Blind and Deafblind in Brantford, Ont.
>>>
>>> The Atlantic Provinces Special Education Authority, which provides
>>> educational services to students from birth to 21 years of age with
>>> sensory impairments, has also established several successful
>>> short-term, intensive Braille courses that can be taken during the
>>> regular school year.
>>>
>>> But it's not enough, says Ms. Nobel, who is also department head of
>>> the Program for the Visually Impaired at Vancouver Community College
>>> and a CNIB library board member. She says teachers in the regular
>>> school system may not have blind children in their classes every
>>> year, meaning they lack the opportunity to stay proficient in
>>> Braille.
>>>
>>> "If this means lowering the workloads for teachers that have blind
>>> students, that's what we need," she said.
>>>
>>> The implications for an illiterate blind population are profound.
>>>
>>> A study by Dr. Ruby Ryles, a blindness researcher at Louisiana Tech
>>> University, found that visually impaired people who learned Braille
>>> at a young age were more likely to be employed, financially
>>> independent and better educated than those who relied primarily on
>>> print -- this in a world where blind adults already face an
>>> unemployment rate of over 70%.
>>>
>>> Diana Brent, a teacher of visually impaired students, and her
>>> husband, Doug Brent, a University of Calgary communications
>>> professor, are the authors of one of the only studies comparing the
>>> writings of blind people who learned Braille at a young age and
>>> those who didn't. Non-Braille users were asked to type stories on a
>>> keyboard using audio software.
>>>
>>> Their findings were alarming. The Brents described the prose of the
>>> non-Braille group as "jumbled and confused."
>>>
>>> "It's as if all of their ideas are crammed into a container, shaken,
>>> and thrown randomly onto a sheet of paper like dice onto a table,"
>>> the authors concluded. "The process of making connections, linking
>>> one idea to another is tenuous at best."
>>>
>>> While preliminary, the results suggest that blind children relying
>>> solely on an oral education have virtually no means of literacy in
>>> the sense that society has come to understand it.
>>>
>>> "It's still well worth teaching children Braille, even if they
>>> choose later to drift away from it," said Mr. Brent. "To not have
>>> access to a way of organizing thought that depends on a system of
>>> written record, to not be formed by that arguably makes people think
>>> differently and puts them at a significant disadvantage."
>>>
>>> kewallace at nationalpost.com
>>>
>>> - - -
>>>
>>> Who was Louis Braille?
>>>
>>> Louis Braille was born fully sighted on Jan. 4, 1809 in a small town
>>> near Paris, France.
>>>
>>> He lost his sight as a small boy after accidentally stabbing himself
>>> in the eye with a stitching awl his his father's shoemaking
>>> workshop. An infection in one eye spread to the other, rendering him
>>> completely blind.
>>>
>>> A creative and intelligent boy, Braille earned a scholarship to the
>>> Royal Institution for Blind Youth in Paris when he was 10.
>>>
>>> While there, he learned to read using a system of raised letters by
>>> pressing shaped copper wire onto paper. But this cumbersome system
>>> made it impossible for blind people to write by themselves.
>>>
>>> In 1821, French army captain Charles Barbier de la Serre visited the
>>> school to share his invention, which he called "Night Writing." The
>>> invention was a series of 12 raised dots combined to form words that
>>> soldiers could use to communicate in the night without talking.
>>>
>>> The code proved too difficult to understand, so Braille modified the
>>> system to a series of six raised dots, with characters representing
>>> each letter of the alphabet. In 1829 he published his system in the
>>> booklet, "The Method of Writing Words, Music and Plain Song by Means
>>> of Dots, for Use by the Blind and Arranged by Them."
>>>
>>> This new system of reading and writing - Braille - did not catch on
>>> immediately. Braille, who eventually became a teacher at the
>>> Institute, died of tuberculosis on Jan. 6, 1852, before even his own
>>> school adopted his code.
>>>
>>> The French government officially recognized the Braille system two
>>> years later, and it eventually became the world standard for written
>>> communication for the blind.
>>>
>>> In 1952, Braille's body was disinterred and reburied in the Pantheon
>>> in Paris to lie with the remains of other distinguished French
>>> citizens.
>>>
>>> Kenyon Wallace, National Post
>>>
>>> - - -
>>>
>>> Blindness By The Numbers
>>>
>>> 10 Percentage of legally blind North Americans who can read Braille
>>>
>>> 836,000 Number of Canadians living with significant vision loss that
>>> cannot be corrected with ordinary lenses
>>>
>>> 70 Percentage of blind North Americans who are unemployed
>>>
>>> 1,000,000 number of Canadians with some form of macular
>>> degeneration, the leading cause of vision loss in North Americans
>>> over the age of 50
>>>
>>> 90 Percentage of blind children in the United States not learning
>>> Braille today
>>>
>>> 50 Percentage of blind American high school students who drop out
>>>
>>> 75,000 Number of people who lose all or part of their vision every
>>> year
>>>
>>> Source: NFB and CNIB
>>>
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