[nfb-talk] Discrimination

Wm. Ritchhart william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net
Tue Aug 2 11:07:42 UTC 2011


About all I could add to this discussion is that Joseph was not really
treated any differently than any sighted person would have been who dared to
question the TSA agents.  That is why for me this is not a blindness issue.
I hear from sighted friends with regular frequency stories similar to
Josephs.  The only difference is the comment or action of the traveler that
causes the TSA employee to decide to show the traveler who is boss.

This is one of the many reasons I attempt to avoid flying whenever possible.
Add to it the cramped seats and higher prices, it becomes more trouble than
it's worth in most cases.  

When you have seriously limited time or cannot find a driver or must travel
alone, then it is probably a necessary evil.  But if you have someone who
can drive and don't mind taking longer to reach your destination, than
driving is a much better way.  

One example... to visit my sister in southeast Georgia costs about $250.00
per person in air fare and four hours in air line travel time.  By car we
can transport four people comfortably for $500.00 and travel time is about
nine hours.  

One additional advantage to taking the car is that you can pack coolers of
your favorite soft drinks and foods and are not robbed by a greedy
corporation for a meal.

It's not a perfect solution and not workable if you don't have drivers.  But
for some it could be a workable alternative.
 

Thanks, William

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 10:21 PM
To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Discrimination

Ashley:

I think we must be clear in our legal terminology. If full-body-scans are a
violation of our rights, they are a violation of *privacy* rights, not civil
rights as in Title VI of the civil rights Act of 1964. Like Larry, I don't
really care whether someone likes to perv by looking at my innards or
birthday suit -- if they are *that* deprived, they need an education.
(smirk)

That aside, I think that while your comment about TSA personnel ideally
neding training is true, we must bear in mind someone else's comment from
some time back in the discussion that in speaking with a supervisor at
United Airlines (it was called that back then), the supervisor said the
toughest problem was to get all 10,000 cabin attendants to obey the rules.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 3:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Discrimination

Larry,
We all go through hastles and indignity at airports. I think the full body
scanners are a civil rights violation. We should never be virtually stripped
searched without a reason behind it.
As for your comment about the bus or train, buses will soon have airport
style security and maybe rail someday too. Some places you cannot get to on
land via rail as well.

I think TSA need training in manners and their own regulations; this might
minimize some distress among passengers.
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry D. Keeler
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:39 AM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: [nfb-talk] Discrimination

Dignity certainly is an issue!  I think that dignity is a relative term
however.  Most americans whether blind or not, suffer some indignity at
airports.  If you don't want to suffer indignities at the airport, then the
train or bus should suffice.  I aggree with you Brian though about hired
assistance.  Many of them are untraind and understand very little english.
Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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