[nfb-talk] Convention

Wed Aug 3 15:07:02 UTC 2011

Michael:

At this point there has been one message, and if everybody would just 
leave it alone, it will hopefully die the quick death it deserves.

Dave

On 8/3/2011 9:27 AM, Michael Bullis wrote:
> Michael Hingson says:
> This discussion has gone on long enough and is going nowhere.
> This could be said about virtually every discussion with John.  I tune in
> every few months and there he is in a disagreement with somebody over
> something and it never ends.
> Mike Bullis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:21 AM
> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>
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> vote by mail even at the local level.
>
> This discussion has gone on long enough and is going nowhere.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of John Heim
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:08 AM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>
> Thousands of organizations around the world allow voting by mail. I just
> attended a stock holder's meeting where I'd already boted by mail. Its not
> really that difficult.
>
> Why don't you just admit it, Mike, you're against it because I'm for it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman"<k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>
>
>> I dare say that trying to implement such a scheme would leave NFB open to
>> all sorts of political hanky-panky. Reminds me of an FS story wherein
>> people
>> wore a device on their wrists that allowed instant polling of all the
>> citizenry. There was a referendum once a week on an issue and voting was
>> mandatory. Turns out that these plebacites ultimately lead to more
>> conformity and tyranny of the majority then would have been the case with
>> present methods.
>>
>> Besides, implicit in your question is the assumption that NFB does *not*
>> represent the views of a majority of its membership. I will not enter into
>> a
>> discussion on this topic as your views on it are well-known and I rather
>> doubt either of us will have his mind changed by such a dialogue.
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of John Heim
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:29 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>
>> Right, and I'm sure that helps. But don't you think the NFB would be more
>> likely to represent the views of its members if it allowed everyone to
>> vote?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman"<k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>
>>
>>> Members who do not attend convention are represented by their affiliate's
>>> delegate and alternate delegate(s). If there's an issue of treanscendant
>>> importance, presumably said members could call up their delegates and
>>> lobby
>>> for the position they favor.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Gloria Whipple
>>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:33 AM
>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>
>>> Have you ever been to a nfb convention? If not, how do you know?
>>>
>>> I am not trying to start anything, I am just serious?
>>>
>>> I do wish those who cannot attend the conventions could vote. After all,
>>> they are members.
>>>
>>> Thank you John and have a nice day!
>>>
>>>
>>> Gloria Whipple
>>> Corresponding Secretary
>>> Inland Empire chapter
>>> nfb of WA
>>>
>>> Cell: 509-475-4993
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of John Heim
>>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 06:59
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>
>>> My opinion is that it would help the organization quite a bit to allow
>>> people who don't attend the convention to vote. The people who attend the
>>> conventions are the best of the best. The result is that the NFB doesn't
>>> do
>>> a great job of representing those who are struggling a little bit more
>>> with
>>> their disability.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:<ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 1:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>
>>>
>>>> Loren, these are very valid points. While I continue to support the
>>>> principles of NFB I have become frustrated by many of the practices of
>>>> the
>>>> organization as they are antiquated and portray an approach that
>>>> indicates
>>>> a "one size fits all" mentality. There needs to be greater flexibility
>>>> in
>>>> many areas. There have been many successes such as the implementation of
>>>> NFB newsline and court victories such as the Target law suit although it
>>>> would have been nice had it been a broader one, just to name a couple.
>>>> Chuck
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Loren Wakefield"<isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> One sign that an organization of any kind is dying is when it takes the
>>>>> attitude, "we've never done it that way before".  Times are changing.
>>>>> An
>>>>> organization or business cannot afford to chase people the same way
>>>>> they
>>>>> did 20 30 years ago.  This in no way means they must change the corp
>>>>> beliefs of the organization.  But just because it wasn't done that way
>>>>> in
>>>>> the past, is not a reason to do it now.  If that was the ccase, the
>>>>> blind
>>>>> would not have made any advances at all.  We changed the paradigm out
>>>>> there, and fortunately, it is still changing.  Streaming is not just
>>>>> for
>>>>> those who will not go to convention or can't go, it is a way to get the
>>>>> message out to the general public.  If we take the attitude that if you
>>>>> cant beg borrow or steal your way to convention, then you cant hear or
>>>>> share what happened or was said, then why publish a summary in the
>>>>> monitor?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like it or not, society is changing.  Who really cares if we change
>>>>> what
>>>>> it means to be blind, and the blind are still two centuries behind the
>>>>> rest of the world?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Lauren and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     With that kind of outlook it's true. We've fought the dragons of
>>>>>> hell
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> make it to convention and succeeded many times. We feel we've set a
>>>>>> great
>>>>>> example for others to follow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Loren Wakefield"<isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:29 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The thing to do is get the stream working or not do it at all.  It
>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>> like we are getting it down.  Things will work better next time.
>>>>>> Streaming
>>>>>> probably will benefit more than those who are already members as well.
>>>>>> And
>>>>>> as much as we may wish to do so, it is impossible for all who want to
>>>>>> attend
>>>>>> to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Peter Donahue"<pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:35 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello again everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     The ultimate solution is to quit complaining about the stream and
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> now to plan to be with us in Dallas next year and at future Orlando
>>>>>>> conventions. From what I hear there will be a lot of them.  Get busy
>>>>>>> now,
>>>>>>> wrestle up the bucks now and we'll see you in Dallas and beyond.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From:<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List"<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:30 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>> What do you mean? Are you saying the banquet wasn't available live
>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> technical issues?
>>>>>>> I agree the convention is important to stream, but due to work and
>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>> events, I only got to hear it a few times.
>>>>>>> I heard it more live last year and it was very clear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: James Aldrich
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:48 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The banquet wasn't available to me but I probably got in much too
>>>>>>> late!
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> think we need to show our leaders how important this streaming is to
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> we need to keep it out front!  It is truly important and it does
>>>>>>> indeed
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> our message out!  I too enjoyed what I heard from the stream!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Jim"<jp100 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Jim"<jp100 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 2:15 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Convention
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sounds like it was a wonderful convention.  Once the streams got
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> working right, I was able to hear and see what all was going on.
>>>>>>>> Very
>>>>>>>> informative.  The banquet was also great last night.  A few times,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> stream went out, but again, that was temporary.  I was able to get
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the speech.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, for all who went, I hope you had a great time and I'm glad
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> those of us who couldn't go could at least take part in the
>>>>>>>> listening
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> sessions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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