[nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

Tue Jul 5 23:45:58 UTC 2011

ORLANDO!

Thanks, William

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
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Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 6:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

Wow I didn't realize 5,000 persons went to convention.
My goodness, that I must say is a crowd.
I so will always wish that they could come to Denver, I know they have 
been there before.
Several years for that matter.
What caused the group to become larger?

Original message:
> You have to remember that the prime considerations in choosing a
> location/hotel are rates and size.  If the rates are to high, people
> can't/won't come.  And ... we need a large convention-style hotel
> that can hold from 3000 to 4000 persons.  I am sure Colorado Springs
> doesn't have that, and Denver may not.

> Dave

> At 04:47 PM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>> I would love to see the convention come west again, either to
>> Colorado Denver or Colorado Springs.
>> Closer to my home Montana.
>> I understand why they wish not to come to Montana, but to Colorado
>> because hotel rates are to high, I don't know about that one.

>> Original message:
>>> Brian,

>>> I would agree.  When I asked Marc why they did not change the date of
>>> Convention giving reasons similar to yours, and also pointing out that
>>> cheaper hotel rates could probably be gotten at other times.  The answer
was
>>> given that the July Conventions are what the membership want.

>>> Now the one time I actually observed a vote on changing the date and
>>> location of Convention than the ones we constantly go to took place, I
>>> believed that the majority as a hole voted to change date and location
to
>>> include other cities and get cheaper rates.  It sounded quite clear to
me
>>> the membership wanted more varied locations and times.  However, Marc
said
>>> that the motion to expand locations and times failed.  The State by
State
>>> vote was then called for.  Naturally the result of the votes of the 50
State
>>> Presidents was to leave the Convention date as it is currently.

>>> Not really a majority decision.  But a decision made using the rules of
the
>>> body as agreed upon.  I haven't been back to a Convention since.  Nor do
I
>>> plan to, as long as they are in the middle of summer; when I'd prefer to
be
>>> on the beach.  I guess you can call that, "William being a sore loser."
I
>>> call it using my personal time as I see fit.  Should they try having it
in
>>> Orlando in January, I think I might try to attend the Convention.  I'd
much
>>> rather be in central Florida In January then now.

>>> Thanks, William

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>> you say the leaders want everyone to attend in person?

>>> the leaders refuse to budge about adjusting the dates so they don't land
on
>>> 4th of july weekend.
>>> i had much more fun camping with friends than i would ever had sitting
in a
>>> chair listening to a person speaking all day and friends that want to be
>>> with me instead of trying to find someone to eat/do things with after
the
>>> sessions.

>>> Bryan Schulz

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>>> The fact that the Convention is streamed to any degree is huge
progress.
>>>> Marc made it clear to me years ago that were he to have his way, none
of
>>>> it
>>>> would be streamed.  The leadership wanted all to attend in person.  Not
>>>> via
>>>> internet.  The fact that for the past few years the Conventions are
being
>>>> streamed in part or full is huge progress and a huge change from what
Marc
>>>> stated to me long ago.

>>>> I am hoping to catch a little of it.  So I hope they get the kinks
worked
>>>> out soon.

>>>> Thanks, William

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
>>>> Behalf Of James Aldrich
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:03 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>>> Hi Dave  and list,

>>>> To answer your question, I'm certain if I had been involved, things
would
>>>> be

>>>> worse (grin smile)!  I'm starting to learn how to send my own audio
files.

>>>> The problem is not those involved with the stream!  One is doing the
best
>>>> they can with what they have available!  I'm certain good people are
>>>> involved including yourself and that in itself is a good thing!  The
>>>> problem

>>>> is streaming coventions aren't a high priority with the NFB. Equipment
may
>>>> work at the home office but get it on the scene, forget it!  This
nonsense
>>>> of not getting the stream has been happening for a good 5 years or more
>>>> perhaps.  I think more people would take advantage of it if it worked!
It
>>>> is that plain and simple to me!  The opposition not only streams their
>>>> convention live successfully every year, it is available on demand in
its
>>>> intirity throughout  the year!  Anyone who can stand to hear it can do
so!
>>>> I think we definitely need to put more of a priority to this than we
have!
>>>> We certainly have a good track record when we put our mind to
something!
>>>> It

>>>> gets done!  This is one of the things which needs to work much better
than
>>>> it has!  What is happening now isn't working or hasn't worked well!
>>>> Therefore, it is roop goldburg to me, why bother?  I would like to be
>>>> bothered and if I can't listen at a particular time, I could listen
later!
>>>> This is the age of the Iphone, and other smart phones where people can
>>>> listen where they are, on a bus, outside or heaven only knows where!
>>>> Perhaps Voice of the Nation's Blind should be a full time radio station
>>>> which sells time to those wishing to buy time to present something!
>>>> Perhaps

>>>> it could evolve into being able to pay people to run the operation,
what a
>>>> novel idea!  I'm certain too the NFB could partner with various
entaties
>>>> to
>>>> achieve a more successful dependable stream!  If various states can
stream
>>>> their conventions, why can't the national do the same successfuly?  I
>>>> think
>>>> if it worked, you'd have many people listening whether at the
convention
>>>> itself or whether at home or on the go!  This definitely is one area
where
>>>> the NFB hasn't done its job as well  as it could be done! How cool it
>>>> would
>>>> be to dial it up or download it from Newsline perhaps!

>>>> I wish I could wave a magic wand or have the expertise to fix things
but I
>>>> don't!  The fact of the matter is, how many people would listen is
flawed
>>>> because the stream itself is flawed so if the whole world knows the
stream
>>>> doesn't work, why bother?

>>>> I'll keep trying throughout the day, but I think your being at
convention
>>>> would be a good time to address this issue especially when one
considers
>>>> the

>>>> rising costs of everything!  If I could listen dependably, I could
Email
>>>> or
>>>> phone my state affiliate representative to tell him how I'd like him to
>>>> vote

>>>> on certain matters!  One could participate in this way and the NFB
would
>>>> be
>>>> available for all the world to hear if they wished!  Our critics say we
>>>> aren't an open and above board organization!  Therefore, some might say
>>>> this

>>>> is why streaming isn't a priority!

>>>> All I am saying is we haven't done well in this area!

>>>> Jim

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:15 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>>>> Jim:

>>>>> How do you know that the NFB is using a rube goldberg approach?  Were
you
>>>>> involved in the planning and execution?

>>>>> I am sorry too that it isn't working but you and everybody else seem
to
>>>>> be

>>>>> pretty eager to condemn without knowing what is going on.  They are
>>>>> trying

>>>>> to offer the stream in 3 different formats this year, the schedule,
URL's
>>>>> etc. were announced in advance -- this hardly seems rube goldberg to
me.

>>>>> Also, I listened to stream last year, and the most listeners I ever
saw
>>>>> on

>>>>> at once was about 150 during banquet, most of time under 100.  So
people
>>>>> ask, and bitch and moan when it doesn't work, but it doesn't look like
it
>>>>> is that widely used to me.

>>>>> Dave

>>>>> At 09:34 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>> All!

>>>>>> I'm afraid the NFB hasn't ever been serious about live streaming
audio
>>>>>> especially when it comes to conventions.  I fully realize that this
is an
>>>>>> expense but with the costs going up to go to conventions, I think the
>>>>>> expense could be justified.  Until that happens,we will always have
this
>>>>>> roop goldburg approach to streaming conventions.  I wish it weren't
so
>>>>>> but

>>>>>> one cannot depend on the stream nor hear it at a later time till the
>>>>>> Monitor comes out.

>>>>>> Jim

>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:36 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>>>>>> I can't hear anything.  When I try to open up the windows media
stream,
>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>> get a page error.  Same thing with all the other streams.  I have a
>>>>>>> direct file download for the mp3 stream and it comes up with no
audio
>>>>>>> either. Frankly, I am beginning to wonder whether they know what
they're
>>>>>>> doing!

>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1

>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:22 AM, mr. hooper wrote:

>>>>>>>> ac tually it is on but i think their audio board isn't set up right
if
>>>>>>>> you turn your volume way up you can here it.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr"
<rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:14 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>>>>>>>> Hey,

>>>>>>>>> I think they forgot to turn the streaming for the convention on.
>>>>>>>>> Nothing is active right now and it's already 15 minutes past the
>>>>>>>>> starting time!!!!

>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

>>>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1

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