[nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Wed Jul 6 02:03:43 UTC 2011


Shucks Dave,
That is still allot of people.
I still would wonder if Denver can handle a crowd like that, when they 
have Lions meetings all of the time, and many different groups.
I will always keep dreaming this will happen.
Of course national does well with out me, or they wouldn't have made it 
this far smile.
I would want to meet many of the venders as well as persons, I speak 
with here on the internet.
As well as supporting the wonderful state of Montana.

Original message:
> I didn't say 5000, I said 3000 to 4000.

> Dave

> At 05:45 PM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>> Wow I didn't realize 5,000 persons went to convention.
>> My goodness, that I must say is a crowd.
>> I so will always wish that they could come to Denver, I know they
>> have been there before.
>> Several years for that matter.
>> What caused the group to become larger?

>> Original message:
>>> You have to remember that the prime considerations in choosing a
>>> location/hotel are rates and size.  If the rates are to high, people
>>> can't/won't come.  And ... we need a large convention-style hotel
>>> that can hold from 3000 to 4000 persons.  I am sure Colorado Springs
>>> doesn't have that, and Denver may not.

>>> Dave

>>> At 04:47 PM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>> I would love to see the convention come west again, either to
>>>> Colorado Denver or Colorado Springs.
>>>> Closer to my home Montana.
>>>> I understand why they wish not to come to Montana, but to Colorado
>>>> because hotel rates are to high, I don't know about that one.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Brian,

>>>>> I would agree.  When I asked Marc why they did not change the date of
>>>>> Convention giving reasons similar to yours, and also pointing out that
>>>>> cheaper hotel rates could probably be gotten at other times.  The
>>>>> answer was
>>>>> given that the July Conventions are what the membership want.

>>>>> Now the one time I actually observed a vote on changing the date and
>>>>> location of Convention than the ones we constantly go to took place, I
>>>>> believed that the majority as a hole voted to change date and location to
>>>>> include other cities and get cheaper rates.  It sounded quite clear to me
>>>>> the membership wanted more varied locations and times.  However, Marc said
>>>>> that the motion to expand locations and times failed.  The State by State
>>>>> vote was then called for.  Naturally the result of the votes of
>>>>> the 50 State
>>>>> Presidents was to leave the Convention date as it is currently.

>>>>> Not really a majority decision.  But a decision made using the rules of the
>>>>> body as agreed upon.  I haven't been back to a Convention since.  Nor do I
>>>>> plan to, as long as they are in the middle of summer; when I'd prefer to be
>>>>> on the beach.  I guess you can call that, "William being a sore loser."  I
>>>>> call it using my personal time as I see fit.  Should they try having it in
>>>>> Orlando in January, I think I might try to attend the Convention.  I'd much
>>>>> rather be in central Florida In January then now.



>>>>> Thanks, William

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>>>> you say the leaders want everyone to attend in person?

>>>>> the leaders refuse to budge about adjusting the dates so they don't land on
>>>>> 4th of july weekend.
>>>>> i had much more fun camping with friends than i would ever had sitting in a
>>>>> chair listening to a person speaking all day and friends that want to be
>>>>> with me instead of trying to find someone to eat/do things with after the
>>>>> sessions.

>>>>> Bryan Schulz

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on


>>>>>> The fact that the Convention is streamed to any degree is huge progress.
>>>>>> Marc made it clear to me years ago that were he to have his way, none of
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> would be streamed.  The leadership wanted all to attend in person.  Not
>>>>>> via
>>>>>> internet.  The fact that for the past few years the Conventions are being
>>>>>> streamed in part or full is huge progress and a huge change from what Marc
>>>>>> stated to me long ago.

>>>>>> I am hoping to catch a little of it.  So I hope they get the kinks worked
>>>>>> out soon.

>>>>>> Thanks, William

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of James Aldrich
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:03 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on

>>>>>> Hi Dave  and list,

>>>>>> To answer your question, I'm certain if I had been involved, things would
>>>>>> be

>>>>>> worse (grin smile)!  I'm starting to learn how to send my own audio files.

>>>>>> The problem is not those involved with the stream!  One is doing the best
>>>>>> they can with what they have available!  I'm certain good people are
>>>>>> involved including yourself and that in itself is a good thing!  The
>>>>>> problem

>>>>>> is streaming coventions aren't a high priority with the NFB. Equipment may
>>>>>> work at the home office but get it on the scene, forget it!  This nonsense
>>>>>> of not getting the stream has been happening for a good 5 years or more
>>>>>> perhaps.  I think more people would take advantage of it if it worked!  It
>>>>>> is that plain and simple to me!  The opposition not only streams their
>>>>>> convention live successfully every year, it is available on demand in its
>>>>>> intirity throughout  the year!  Anyone who can stand to hear it can do so!
>>>>>> I think we definitely need to put more of a priority to this than we have!
>>>>>> We certainly have a good track record when we put our mind to something!
>>>>>> It

>>>>>> gets done!  This is one of the things which needs to work much better than
>>>>>> it has!  What is happening now isn't working or hasn't worked well!
>>>>>> Therefore, it is roop goldburg to me, why bother?  I would like to be
>>>>>> bothered and if I can't listen at a particular time, I could listen later!
>>>>>> This is the age of the Iphone, and other smart phones where people can
>>>>>> listen where they are, on a bus, outside or heaven only knows where!
>>>>>> Perhaps Voice of the Nation's Blind should be a full time radio station
>>>>>> which sells time to those wishing to buy time to present something!
>>>>>> Perhaps

>>>>>> it could evolve into being able to pay people to run the operation, what a
>>>>>> novel idea!  I'm certain too the NFB could partner with various entaties
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> achieve a more successful dependable stream!  If various states can stream
>>>>>> their conventions, why can't the national do the same successfuly?  I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> if it worked, you'd have many people listening whether at the convention
>>>>>> itself or whether at home or on the go!  This definitely is one area where
>>>>>> the NFB hasn't done its job as well  as it could be done! How cool it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be to dial it up or download it from Newsline perhaps!

>>>>>> I wish I could wave a magic wand or have the expertise to fix things but I
>>>>>> don't!  The fact of the matter is, how many people would listen is flawed
>>>>>> because the stream itself is flawed so if the whole world knows the stream
>>>>>> doesn't work, why bother?

>>>>>> I'll keep trying throughout the day, but I think your being at convention
>>>>>> would be a good time to address this issue especially when one considers
>>>>>> the

>>>>>> rising costs of everything!  If I could listen dependably, I could Email
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> phone my state affiliate representative to tell him how I'd like him to
>>>>>> vote

>>>>>> on certain matters!  One could participate in this way and the NFB would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> available for all the world to hear if they wished!  Our critics say we
>>>>>> aren't an open and above board organization!  Therefore, some might say
>>>>>> this

>>>>>> is why streaming isn't a priority!

>>>>>> All I am saying is we haven't done well in this area!

>>>>>> Jim


>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:15 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on


>>>>>>> Jim:

>>>>>>> How do you know that the NFB is using a rube goldberg approach?  Were you
>>>>>>> involved in the planning and execution?

>>>>>>> I am sorry too that it isn't working but you and everybody else seem to
>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>> pretty eager to condemn without knowing what is going on.  They are
>>>>>>> trying

>>>>>>> to offer the stream in 3 different formats this year, the schedule, URL's
>>>>>>> etc. were announced in advance -- this hardly seems rube goldberg to me.


>>>>>>> Also, I listened to stream last year, and the most listeners I ever saw
>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>> at once was about 150 during banquet, most of time under 100.  So people
>>>>>>> ask, and bitch and moan when it doesn't work, but it doesn't look like it
>>>>>>> is that widely used to me.

>>>>>>> Dave

>>>>>>> At 09:34 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>> All!

>>>>>>>> I'm afraid the NFB hasn't ever been serious about live streaming audio
>>>>>>>> especially when it comes to conventions.  I fully realize that
>>>>>>>> this is an
>>>>>>>> expense but with the costs going up to go to conventions, I think the
>>>>>>>> expense could be justified.  Until that happens,we will always have this
>>>>>>>> roop goldburg approach to streaming conventions.  I wish it weren't so
>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>> one cannot depend on the stream nor hear it at a later time till the
>>>>>>>> Monitor comes out.

>>>>>>>> Jim

>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:36 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on


>>>>>>>>> I can't hear anything.  When I try to open up the windows media stream,
>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>> get a page error.  Same thing with all the other streams.  I have a
>>>>>>>>> direct file download for the mp3 stream and it comes up with no audio
>>>>>>>>> either. Frankly, I am beginning to wonder whether they know
>>>>>>>>> what they're
>>>>>>>>> doing!


>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

>>>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:22 AM, mr. hooper wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> ac tually it is on but i think their audio board isn't set up right if
>>>>>>>>>> you turn your volume way up you can here it.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on


>>>>>>>>>>> Hey,

>>>>>>>>>>> I think they forgot to turn the streaming for the convention on.
>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing is active right now and it's already 15 minutes past the
>>>>>>>>>>> starting time!!!!


>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

>>>>>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1


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