[nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jul 27 12:15:00 UTC 2011
in 2008 when the Democratic National Convention was in Denver they handled
well over that amount of delegates and alternates. A friend of mine went and
had she not been able to stay with relatives it would have been very
expensive and a hotel room would have been an hour away.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
> Shucks Dave,
> That is still allot of people.
> I still would wonder if Denver can handle a crowd like that, when they
> have Lions meetings all of the time, and many different groups.
> I will always keep dreaming this will happen.
> Of course national does well with out me, or they wouldn't have made it
> this far smile.
> I would want to meet many of the venders as well as persons, I speak with
> here on the internet.
> As well as supporting the wonderful state of Montana.
>
> Original message:
>> I didn't say 5000, I said 3000 to 4000.
>
>> Dave
>
>> At 05:45 PM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>> Wow I didn't realize 5,000 persons went to convention.
>>> My goodness, that I must say is a crowd.
>>> I so will always wish that they could come to Denver, I know they
>>> have been there before.
>>> Several years for that matter.
>>> What caused the group to become larger?
>
>>> Original message:
>>>> You have to remember that the prime considerations in choosing a
>>>> location/hotel are rates and size. If the rates are to high, people
>>>> can't/won't come. And ... we need a large convention-style hotel
>>>> that can hold from 3000 to 4000 persons. I am sure Colorado Springs
>>>> doesn't have that, and Denver may not.
>
>>>> Dave
>
>>>> At 04:47 PM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>>> I would love to see the convention come west again, either to
>>>>> Colorado Denver or Colorado Springs.
>>>>> Closer to my home Montana.
>>>>> I understand why they wish not to come to Montana, but to Colorado
>>>>> because hotel rates are to high, I don't know about that one.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Brian,
>
>>>>>> I would agree. When I asked Marc why they did not change the date of
>>>>>> Convention giving reasons similar to yours, and also pointing out
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> cheaper hotel rates could probably be gotten at other times. The
>>>>>> answer was
>>>>>> given that the July Conventions are what the membership want.
>
>>>>>> Now the one time I actually observed a vote on changing the date and
>>>>>> location of Convention than the ones we constantly go to took place,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> believed that the majority as a hole voted to change date and
>>>>>> location to
>>>>>> include other cities and get cheaper rates. It sounded quite clear
>>>>>> to me
>>>>>> the membership wanted more varied locations and times. However, Marc
>>>>>> said
>>>>>> that the motion to expand locations and times failed. The State by
>>>>>> State
>>>>>> vote was then called for. Naturally the result of the votes of
>>>>>> the 50 State
>>>>>> Presidents was to leave the Convention date as it is currently.
>
>>>>>> Not really a majority decision. But a decision made using the rules
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> body as agreed upon. I haven't been back to a Convention since. Nor
>>>>>> do I
>>>>>> plan to, as long as they are in the middle of summer; when I'd prefer
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> on the beach. I guess you can call that, "William being a sore
>>>>>> loser." I
>>>>>> call it using my personal time as I see fit. Should they try having
>>>>>> it in
>>>>>> Orlando in January, I think I might try to attend the Convention.
>>>>>> I'd much
>>>>>> rather be in central Florida In January then now.
>
>
>
>>>>>> Thanks, William
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>>>>>> you say the leaders want everyone to attend in person?
>
>>>>>> the leaders refuse to budge about adjusting the dates so they don't
>>>>>> land on
>>>>>> 4th of july weekend.
>>>>>> i had much more fun camping with friends than i would ever had
>>>>>> sitting in a
>>>>>> chair listening to a person speaking all day and friends that want to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> with me instead of trying to find someone to eat/do things with after
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> sessions.
>
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Wm. Ritchhart" <william.ritchhart at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:18 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>
>>>>>>> The fact that the Convention is streamed to any degree is huge
>>>>>>> progress.
>>>>>>> Marc made it clear to me years ago that were he to have his way,
>>>>>>> none of
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> would be streamed. The leadership wanted all to attend in person.
>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>> internet. The fact that for the past few years the Conventions are
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> streamed in part or full is huge progress and a huge change from
>>>>>>> what Marc
>>>>>>> stated to me long ago.
>
>>>>>>> I am hoping to catch a little of it. So I hope they get the kinks
>>>>>>> worked
>>>>>>> out soon.
>
>>>>>>> Thanks, William
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of James Aldrich
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:03 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>>>>>>> Hi Dave and list,
>
>>>>>>> To answer your question, I'm certain if I had been involved, things
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be
>
>>>>>>> worse (grin smile)! I'm starting to learn how to send my own audio
>>>>>>> files.
>
>>>>>>> The problem is not those involved with the stream! One is doing the
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> they can with what they have available! I'm certain good people are
>>>>>>> involved including yourself and that in itself is a good thing! The
>>>>>>> problem
>
>>>>>>> is streaming coventions aren't a high priority with the NFB.
>>>>>>> Equipment may
>>>>>>> work at the home office but get it on the scene, forget it! This
>>>>>>> nonsense
>>>>>>> of not getting the stream has been happening for a good 5 years or
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> perhaps. I think more people would take advantage of it if it
>>>>>>> worked! It
>>>>>>> is that plain and simple to me! The opposition not only streams
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> convention live successfully every year, it is available on demand
>>>>>>> in its
>>>>>>> intirity throughout the year! Anyone who can stand to hear it can
>>>>>>> do so!
>>>>>>> I think we definitely need to put more of a priority to this than we
>>>>>>> have!
>>>>>>> We certainly have a good track record when we put our mind to
>>>>>>> something!
>>>>>>> It
>
>>>>>>> gets done! This is one of the things which needs to work much
>>>>>>> better than
>>>>>>> it has! What is happening now isn't working or hasn't worked well!
>>>>>>> Therefore, it is roop goldburg to me, why bother? I would like to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> bothered and if I can't listen at a particular time, I could listen
>>>>>>> later!
>>>>>>> This is the age of the Iphone, and other smart phones where people
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> listen where they are, on a bus, outside or heaven only knows where!
>>>>>>> Perhaps Voice of the Nation's Blind should be a full time radio
>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>> which sells time to those wishing to buy time to present something!
>>>>>>> Perhaps
>
>>>>>>> it could evolve into being able to pay people to run the operation,
>>>>>>> what a
>>>>>>> novel idea! I'm certain too the NFB could partner with various
>>>>>>> entaties
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> achieve a more successful dependable stream! If various states can
>>>>>>> stream
>>>>>>> their conventions, why can't the national do the same successfuly?
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> if it worked, you'd have many people listening whether at the
>>>>>>> convention
>>>>>>> itself or whether at home or on the go! This definitely is one area
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> the NFB hasn't done its job as well as it could be done! How cool
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be to dial it up or download it from Newsline perhaps!
>
>>>>>>> I wish I could wave a magic wand or have the expertise to fix things
>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>> don't! The fact of the matter is, how many people would listen is
>>>>>>> flawed
>>>>>>> because the stream itself is flawed so if the whole world knows the
>>>>>>> stream
>>>>>>> doesn't work, why bother?
>
>>>>>>> I'll keep trying throughout the day, but I think your being at
>>>>>>> convention
>>>>>>> would be a good time to address this issue especially when one
>>>>>>> considers
>>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>>> rising costs of everything! If I could listen dependably, I could
>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> phone my state affiliate representative to tell him how I'd like him
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> vote
>
>>>>>>> on certain matters! One could participate in this way and the NFB
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> available for all the world to hear if they wished! Our critics say
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> aren't an open and above board organization! Therefore, some might
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> this
>
>>>>>>> is why streaming isn't a priority!
>
>>>>>>> All I am saying is we haven't done well in this area!
>
>>>>>>> Jim
>
>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:15 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>
>>>>>>>> Jim:
>
>>>>>>>> How do you know that the NFB is using a rube goldberg approach?
>>>>>>>> Were you
>>>>>>>> involved in the planning and execution?
>
>>>>>>>> I am sorry too that it isn't working but you and everybody else
>>>>>>>> seem to
>>>>>>>> be
>
>>>>>>>> pretty eager to condemn without knowing what is going on. They are
>>>>>>>> trying
>
>>>>>>>> to offer the stream in 3 different formats this year, the schedule,
>>>>>>>> URL's
>>>>>>>> etc. were announced in advance -- this hardly seems rube goldberg
>>>>>>>> to me.
>
>
>>>>>>>> Also, I listened to stream last year, and the most listeners I ever
>>>>>>>> saw
>>>>>>>> on
>
>>>>>>>> at once was about 150 during banquet, most of time under 100. So
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> ask, and bitch and moan when it doesn't work, but it doesn't look
>>>>>>>> like it
>>>>>>>> is that widely used to me.
>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>
>>>>>>>> At 09:34 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>> All!
>
>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid the NFB hasn't ever been serious about live streaming
>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>> especially when it comes to conventions. I fully realize that
>>>>>>>>> this is an
>>>>>>>>> expense but with the costs going up to go to conventions, I think
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> expense could be justified. Until that happens,we will always
>>>>>>>>> have this
>>>>>>>>> roop goldburg approach to streaming conventions. I wish it
>>>>>>>>> weren't so
>>>>>>>>> but
>
>>>>>>>>> one cannot depend on the stream nor hear it at a later time till
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Monitor comes out.
>
>>>>>>>>> Jim
>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr"
>>>>>>>>> <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:36 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> I can't hear anything. When I try to open up the windows media
>>>>>>>>>> stream,
>>>>>>>>>> I
>
>>>>>>>>>> get a page error. Same thing with all the other streams. I have
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> direct file download for the mp3 stream and it comes up with no
>>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>>> either. Frankly, I am beginning to wonder whether they know
>>>>>>>>>> what they're
>>>>>>>>>> doing!
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>>>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
>>>>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>
>>>>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:22 AM, mr. hooper wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>> ac tually it is on but i think their audio board isn't set up
>>>>>>>>>>> right if
>>>>>>>>>>> you turn your volume way up you can here it.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr"
>>>>>>>>>>> <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] I think they forgot to turn it on
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they forgot to turn the streaming for the convention
>>>>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing is active right now and it's already 15 minutes past
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> starting time!!!!
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
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