[nfb-talk] Alright, from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62

[Ashley Bramlett]

Hey Mike,
thanks for saying that the NY times can be considered propoganda too.
Its just an opinion after all.
So lets try and stick to blindness topics now. I suppose we have to bring 
politics into it  some because SSI is a federally funded thing. But hope we 
can cover the topic with facts backing positions up and
not name calling political parties.
Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:09 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk 
Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62

Amen!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:54, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:

> Yes, I will and do in fact confirm this.  And, as Mike will doubtless 
> confirm, I am quite conservative.  Yet, the fact remains, that while we 
> may disagree about many points, we seem, (or so it seems to me) to agree 
> with respect to many blindness matters.  We also agree-I believe I may 
> safely say-that you appeaer not to be willing to do what both Mike and I 
> are asking you.  Forget it.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On Dec 27, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Truth is in the eye of the beholder. Since you refuse to grasp or seem 
>> unwilling or incapable of admitting this and dropping the subject, you 
>> should know that I've suggested to Dave Andrews that this list be 
>> moderated for a week or two. In saying this, you should know that I'm 
>> quite liberal as Ray will confirm.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:20, "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, you can label CBS and the New York Times as propoganda outlets but 
>>> that would be incorrect.  Just saying something doesn't make it true. 
>>> Again, Fox News is openly trying to persuade it's viewers to vote 
>>> conservative. That's why it's a propoganda outlet.  It's not my opinion 
>>> that Fox News is trying to persuade people to vote conservative, they 
>>> say so themselves all the time.
>>>
>>> Is CBS and the New York Times openly trying to persuade people to vote 
>>> liberal? Well, not openly. At worst, you can claim that they are doing 
>>> so as the result of the human weakness of letting their biases influence 
>>> which facts they consider relevant. But they are not deliberately trying 
>>> to persuade people to vote for liberals.
>>>
>>> Of course, the NYT probably endorsed Barack Obama for President. But, at 
>>> least theoretically, that isn't supposed to influence their reporting. 
>>> You can argue that as a practical matter it does. But that would be 
>>> debatable. It is not debatable that Fox News is trying to persuade 
>>> people to vote for conservatives and is, therefore, a propoganda outlet. 
>>> That's just a fact.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE: 
>>> nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>>>
>>>
>>>> You're not getting it: there are those who consider CBS News and the NY 
>>>> Times as propaganda organs also and all the more shameful for not 
>>>> admitting it. Since we discuss our common connection, blindness, here 
>>>> and are loath to pay for a debating society here, especially when such 
>>>> debates do little more than generate controversy and division, it's 
>>>> better to keep to blindness.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:41, "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I mainly just want to nake the distinction between Fox News and 
>>>>> other news sources clear.  It's up to the reader to decide the 
>>>>> significance. It's not a matter of opinion that Fox News is trying to 
>>>>> persuade people to vote conservative. They say so themselves 
>>>>> practically every day. By definition, that makes them a propoganda 
>>>>> outlet, not a news source.
>>>>>
>>>>> There may be value in reading "The Daily Worker" from the Communist 
>>>>> Party. You may learn things you wouldn't have learned otherwise. Never 
>>>>> the less, it's propoganda. So is Fox News.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may learn something from listening to Fox News. And I can't tell 
>>>>> people not to listen to them. That's really none of my business.  But 
>>>>> the fact is that Fox News is absolutely, positively, definately not 
>>>>> the conservative equivalent of CNN or NPR or CBS or the New York 
>>>>> Times.

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