[nfb-talk] Alright, from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62

[Todor Fassl]

I like how everyone on this list takes their own off-topic shots and then 
says lets stick to blindness related topics.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk 
Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62


> Hey Mike,
> thanks for saying that the NY times can be considered propoganda too.
> Its just an opinion after all.
> So lets try and stick to blindness topics now. I suppose we have to bring 
> politics into it  some because SSI is a federally funded thing. But hope 
> we can cover the topic with facts backing positions up and
> not name calling political parties.
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:09 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE: 
> nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>
> Amen!
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:54, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I will and do in fact confirm this.  And, as Mike will doubtless 
>> confirm, I am quite conservative.  Yet, the fact remains, that while we 
>> may disagree about many points, we seem, (or so it seems to me) to agree 
>> with respect to many blindness matters.  We also agree-I believe I may 
>> safely say-that you appeaer not to be willing to do what both Mike and I 
>> are asking you.  Forget it.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Truth is in the eye of the beholder. Since you refuse to grasp or seem 
>>> unwilling or incapable of admitting this and dropping the subject, you 
>>> should know that I've suggested to Dave Andrews that this list be 
>>> moderated for a week or two. In saying this, you should know that I'm 
>>> quite liberal as Ray will confirm.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:20, "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, you can label CBS and the New York Times as propoganda outlets 
>>>> but that would be incorrect.  Just saying something doesn't make it 
>>>> true. Again, Fox News is openly trying to persuade it's viewers to vote 
>>>> conservative. That's why it's a propoganda outlet.  It's not my opinion 
>>>> that Fox News is trying to persuade people to vote conservative, they 
>>>> say so themselves all the time.
>>>>
>>>> Is CBS and the New York Times openly trying to persuade people to vote 
>>>> liberal? Well, not openly. At worst, you can claim that they are doing 
>>>> so as the result of the human weakness of letting their biases 
>>>> influence which facts they consider relevant. But they are not 
>>>> deliberately trying to persuade people to vote for liberals.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the NYT probably endorsed Barack Obama for President. But, 
>>>> at least theoretically, that isn't supposed to influence their 
>>>> reporting. You can argue that as a practical matter it does. But that 
>>>> would be debatable. It is not debatable that Fox News is trying to 
>>>> persuade people to vote for conservatives and is, therefore, a 
>>>> propoganda outlet. That's just a fact.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:01 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE: 
>>>> nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You're not getting it: there are those who consider CBS News and the 
>>>>> NY Times as propaganda organs also and all the more shameful for not 
>>>>> admitting it. Since we discuss our common connection, blindness, here 
>>>>> and are loath to pay for a debating society here, especially when such 
>>>>> debates do little more than generate controversy and division, it's 
>>>>> better to keep to blindness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:41, "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I mainly just want to nake the distinction between Fox News and 
>>>>>> other news sources clear.  It's up to the reader to decide the 
>>>>>> significance. It's not a matter of opinion that Fox News is trying to 
>>>>>> persuade people to vote conservative. They say so themselves 
>>>>>> practically every day. By definition, that makes them a propoganda 
>>>>>> outlet, not a news source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There may be value in reading "The Daily Worker" from the Communist 
>>>>>> Party. You may learn things you wouldn't have learned otherwise. 
>>>>>> Never the less, it's propoganda. So is Fox News.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may learn something from listening to Fox News. And I can't tell 
>>>>>> people not to listen to them. That's really none of my business.  But 
>>>>>> the fact is that Fox News is absolutely, positively, definately not 
>>>>>> the conservative equivalent of CNN or NPR or CBS or the New York 
>>>>>> Times.
>
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