[nfb-talk] Alright, from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 62

Fri Dec 28 15:27:05 UTC 2012

The best solution of course would to get both sides to cooperate and to come 
up with something we could live with.  I think the issue is that most folks 
on iether side are sighted and overlook us!  Banding together is essential 
but so are the differences!  We have to deal with both sides and convince 
each that we demand respect!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE: nfb-talk 
Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62


>I like how everyone on this list takes their own off-topic shots and then 
>says lets stick to blindness related topics.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE: 
> nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>
>
>> Hey Mike,
>> thanks for saying that the NY times can be considered propoganda too.
>> Its just an opinion after all.
>> So lets try and stick to blindness topics now. I suppose we have to bring 
>> politics into it  some because SSI is a federally funded thing. But hope 
>> we can cover the topic with facts backing positions up and
>> not name calling political parties.
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:09 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE: 
>> nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>>
>> Amen!
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:54, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I will and do in fact confirm this.  And, as Mike will doubtless 
>>> confirm, I am quite conservative.  Yet, the fact remains, that while we 
>>> may disagree about many points, we seem, (or so it seems to me) to agree 
>>> with respect to many blindness matters.  We also agree-I believe I may 
>>> safely say-that you appeaer not to be willing to do what both Mike and I 
>>> are asking you.  Forget it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Truth is in the eye of the beholder. Since you refuse to grasp or seem 
>>>> unwilling or incapable of admitting this and dropping the subject, you 
>>>> should know that I've suggested to Dave Andrews that this list be 
>>>> moderated for a week or two. In saying this, you should know that I'm 
>>>> quite liberal as Ray will confirm.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:20, "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, you can label CBS and the New York Times as propoganda outlets 
>>>>> but that would be incorrect.  Just saying something doesn't make it 
>>>>> true. Again, Fox News is openly trying to persuade it's viewers to 
>>>>> vote conservative. That's why it's a propoganda outlet.  It's not my 
>>>>> opinion that Fox News is trying to persuade people to vote 
>>>>> conservative, they say so themselves all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is CBS and the New York Times openly trying to persuade people to vote 
>>>>> liberal? Well, not openly. At worst, you can claim that they are doing 
>>>>> so as the result of the human weakness of letting their biases 
>>>>> influence which facts they consider relevant. But they are not 
>>>>> deliberately trying to persuade people to vote for liberals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, the NYT probably endorsed Barack Obama for President. But, 
>>>>> at least theoretically, that isn't supposed to influence their 
>>>>> reporting. You can argue that as a practical matter it does. But that 
>>>>> would be debatable. It is not debatable that Fox News is trying to 
>>>>> persuade people to vote for conservatives and is, therefore, a 
>>>>> propoganda outlet. That's just a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:01 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Alright,from another passionate liberal.RE: 
>>>>> nfb-talk Digest, Vol 55,Issue 62
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not getting it: there are those who consider CBS News and the 
>>>>>> NY Times as propaganda organs also and all the more shameful for not 
>>>>>> admitting it. Since we discuss our common connection, blindness, here 
>>>>>> and are loath to pay for a debating society here, especially when 
>>>>>> such debates do little more than generate controversy and division, 
>>>>>> it's better to keep to blindness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:41, "Todor Fassl" <fassl.tod at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I mainly just want to nake the distinction between Fox News 
>>>>>>> and other news sources clear.  It's up to the reader to decide the 
>>>>>>> significance. It's not a matter of opinion that Fox News is trying 
>>>>>>> to persuade people to vote conservative. They say so themselves 
>>>>>>> practically every day. By definition, that makes them a propoganda 
>>>>>>> outlet, not a news source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There may be value in reading "The Daily Worker" from the Communist 
>>>>>>> Party. You may learn things you wouldn't have learned otherwise. 
>>>>>>> Never the less, it's propoganda. So is Fox News.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You may learn something from listening to Fox News. And I can't tell 
>>>>>>> people not to listen to them. That's really none of my business. 
>>>>>>> But the fact is that Fox News is absolutely, positively, definately 
>>>>>>> not the conservative equivalent of CNN or NPR or CBS or the New York 
>>>>>>> Times.
>>
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