[nfb-talk] The way people write: was:

Tue Jul 17 02:26:55 UTC 2012

Hi,
writing is being lost due to short form communication.
I suggest reading up on punctuation to learn it if needed. A great site to 
see the properly punctuated writing as well
as the rules of sentences is the Purdue OWL site. OWL is online writing lab.

Another site is www.grammarbook.com.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:11 PM
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: [nfb-talk] The way people write: was:

Quite right Mike.  To write well is truly an art form.  I fear it is being 
lost amonst the want for instant everything.

Say, perhaps the NFB writer's devision might have something to offer here.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:

>
> Amen, bro! Perhaps people no longer have the attention spans to write
> decently.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:57 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the NFB,
> please read.
>
> For my part, I wish some people would properly punctuate their sentences.
> Using an Iphone or other touch device is no excuse.  I know of lists 
> where,
> let one word be misspelled, let one single punctuation mark be out of 
> place,
> and you get thrown off the list.
>
> Honestly, I think people are becoming sloppy with their writing not only
> because they're using short form  writing on a touch screen device; but,
> also, the art of truly good writing is vanishing.  It almost seems as if
> nobody knows how to write correctly anymore;  let alone write well.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> On Jul 16, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>
>> I wish people would spell correctly and do not use short form in typing.
> it makes it sound gibberish to a screen reader without proper words 
> written.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: don nepple
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:14 AM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the 
>> NFB,
> please read.
>>
>>
>> well mike good poast good too have you on bord now on too the radio i 
>> have
> too think about i do not have the money too go to nfbn but haveing a
> radistatechen well oi do not know it might be oo cay but then we do have
> news line so has i think about this no.now on too the streem it did not 
> work
> for me i think that becuse i did not have cookes that is maby i could 
> lissen
> too it.but agan mike glaed too have you on bord get your duse padyed.o 
> wher
> are you frum i am frum idaho.
>>
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:16:12 -0500
>>> From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the
> NFB, please read.
>>>
>>> I've noticed something!
>>> They have Dr Jernigan's and Dr Maurer's speeches, but why aren't
>>> there any old recordings of Dr Tenbroek, on the site to listen to?
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 7/15/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>> Go to the NFB web site, then to "Members" and you'll find links to
>>>> affiliates and divisions.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of qubit
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 7:53 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining
>>>> the > NFB, please read.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree -- acbradio is a good resource -- I mean, how many
>>>> thousand people listen to Main "Menu" to get the low down on the
>>>> latest adaptive technology? (Actually I haven't listened to Main
>>>> Menu in quite some time
>>>> --
>>>> is it still on the air?) I haven't listened to any of their other
>>>> programming, but I always thought acbradio was a good resource.
>>>> Now on another note, where do I go to find my local chapter
>>>> website? I haven't paid my dues...
>>>> --le
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 4:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining
>>>> the NFB,please read.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ray has a good point. Further more, why would we want to have a
>>>> radio station, so we can be like the other guys? The NFB does not
>>>> need a radio station, as we are into getting things done. A radio
>>>> station for those > who do not choose to work, which I know is no
>>>> one here, to sit around and listen to. I think the NFB would rather
>>>> try to help put those people to work, making money and income.
>>>>
>>>> 2cents worth,
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 5:44 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining
>>>> the NFB,please read.
>>>>
>>>> And, with what money would you fund this radio station and take
>>>> away > help from those blind people who need our help? With what
>>>> money would you > hire the staff, blind or sighted?
>>>>
>>>> Point is this. Just think how much money is being exausted by the
>>>> other folks with their fancy station. To what better use might that
>>>> money be put?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>
>>>> Skype name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 15, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why can't the NFB take "Through Our Eyes," and turn it into KNFB
> Radio?
>>>>> The NFB needs its own radio station!
>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/15/12, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Not to mention which, the ACB complained when we set up our NFB
>>>>>> Newsline service. Jallous maybe because we were the ones who did it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I might point out that we stream our national conventions now;
>>>>>> and, the stream actually works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Roger devin Prater wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I've also thought about joining the NFB, because they
>>>>>>> actually provide services like the NFB newsline and things like
>>>>>>> that, and I don't really know of any that the ACB provides
>>>>>>> besides their ACB >>>> radio
>>>> thing.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester"
>>>>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:00 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of
>>>>>>> joining the
>>>> NFB,
>>>>>>> please read.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad to hear this!
>>>>>>> Welcome to the NFB!
>>>>>>> Another convert here!
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/15/12, Michael Capelle <michael.capelle at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>> This is going to be a long post, and a lot of heads will turn,
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>> For many years, a lot of people will know, that I was heavilly
>>>>>>>> involved in the American Council of the Blind, (ACB). Well,
>>>>>>>> this years
>>>> convention
>>>>>>>> definitely decided for me, read on, and you will find out why.
>>>>>>>> Now, before I continue, I want everyone to remember, that I'm
>>>>>>>> not trying to bash ACB, just speaking my opinion. First of all,
>>>>>>>> the biggest complaint I had, was I felt the
>>>>>>>> conference/convention was very disorganized. The roll call of
>>>>>>>> states, seemed very disorganized, and
>>>> honestly, the "fat"
>>>>>>>> jokes were getting very old. Then, on monday, the door prize
>>>>>>>> people
>>>> were
>>>>>>>> not even ready, to hand out door prizes. I just felt it was not
>>>>>>>> good as in previous years. Now, on to the biggest complaint. as
>>>>>>>> some of you know, we are in the process of passing a bill, for
>>>>>>>> the subminimum
>>>> wages.
>>>>>>>> Basically, making it illegal to pay blind persons less money
>>>>>>>> then their sighted colleagues. The following information,
>>>>>>>> below, is taken from the publication. The NFB, (national
>>>>>>>> Federation of the
>>>>>>>> Blind) definitely supports this, and so do I, again, see below.
>>>>>>>> Voice of the Nation's Blind
>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Logo Marc Maurer, President
>>>>>>>> 200 East Wells Street
>>>>>>>> at Jernigan Place
>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>>>> Phone 410 659 9314 Fax 410 685 5653 www.nfb.org The Fair Wages
>>>>>>>> for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011 H.R. 3086 Disabled
>>>>>>>> workers have been unfairly excluded from the federal minimum
>>>>>>>> wage for 74 years, and today over 300,000 disabled workers are
>>>>>>>> working for subminimum wages.
>>>>>>>> Section 14(c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)
>>>>>>>> discriminates against people with disabilities. This section
>>>>>>>> allows the Secretary of Labor to grant special wage
>>>>>>>> certificates to employers, permitting them to pay their workers
>>>>>>>> with disabilities less than the minimum wage,
>>>> often
>>>>>>>> in sheltered work environments. In some instances disabled
>>>>>>>> workers are being paid pennies per hour.
>>>>>>>> This discrimination is rooted in low expectations based on
>>>>>>>> misconceptions about the capabilities of disabled people. The
>>>>>>>> law falsely implies that people with disabilities cannot be
>>>>>>>> productive employees, and subminimum wage employers prey on
>>>>>>>> society's
>>>> misconception
>>>>>>>> that disabled people are incapable of being competitively employed.
>>>>>>>> In reality, when provided the proper rehabilitation training
>>>>>>>> and tools, workers with disabilities can be productive and
>>>>>>>> financially
>>>> independent.
>>>>>>>> Subminimum wage supports an outdated business model that
>>>>>>>> fosters the underemployment of workers with disabilities.
>>>>>>>> Section 14(c) was only to be used "to the extent necessary to
>>>>>>>> prevent curtailment of opportunities" for employment of people
>>>>>>>> with disabilities. Instead, subminimum-wage sheltered workshops
>>>>>>>> have eroded into day custody centers, limiting opportunities
>>>>>>>> for workers with disabilities ever to transition into
>>>>>>>> integrated, competitive work. These institutions
>>>> instill
>>>>>>>> a philosophy of incapacity, which becomes a self-fulfilling
>>>>>>>> prophecy resulting in long-term underemployment.
>>>>>>>> The sheltered work system is a cash cow for the subminimum wage
>>>>>>>> employer. Many employers insist that paying the minimum wage to
>>>> disabled
>>>>>>>> employees would result in lack of profitability and a reduction
>>>>>>>> in
>>>> their
>>>>>>>> workforce, but most benefit from philanthropic donations,
>>>>>>>> preferred status when bidding on federal contracts, and federal
> funding.
>>>> Moreover,
>>>>>>>> while their disabled workers receive subminimum wages that are
>>>>>>>> subsidized by Social Security and public assistance, some
>>>>>>>> workshop executives are earning salaries far above industry
>>>>>>>> norms. The economics overwhelmingly favor subminimum wage
>>>>>>>> employers, encouraging the perpetuation of subminimum wage
>>>>>>>> employment and leaving workers with disabilities little to no
>>>>>>>> choice for real
>>>> employment.
>>>>>>>> The Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011:
>>>>>>>> Discontinues the practice of issuing special wage certificates.
>>>>>>>> The secretary of labor will no longer issue special wage
>>>>>>>> certificates to
>>>> new
>>>>>>>> applicants.
>>>>>>>> Phases out all remaining special wage certificates over a
>>>>>>>> 3-year
>>>> period.
>>>>>>>> Entities currently holding special wage certificates will begin
>>>>>>>> compensating their workers with disabilities at no less than
>>>>>>>> the
>>>> federal
>>>>>>>> minimum wage, using the following schedule:
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> private for-profit entities' certificates will be revoked after
>>>>>>>> 1 year; .
>>>>>>>> public or governmental entities' certificates will be revoked
>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>> 2 years; and .
>>>>>>>> non-profit entities' certificates will be revoked after 3 years.
>>>>>>>> Repeals Section14(c) of the FLSA. Three years after the law is
>>>>>>>> enacted, the practice of paying disabled workers subminimum
>>>>>>>> wage will be officially abolished, and workers with
>>>>>>>> disabilities will no longer be excluded from the workforce
>>>>>>>> protection of a federal >>>>> minimum
>>>> wage.
>>>>>>>> STOP THE DISCRIMINATION
>>>>>>>> PROMOTE EQUAL WORK FOR EQUAL PAY Cosponsor the Fair Wages for
>>>>>>>> Workers with Disabilities Act H.R.
>>>>>>>> 3086 For more information contact:
>>>>>>>> Anil Lewis, Director of Strategic Communications National
>>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>> Phone: (410) 659-9314, Extension 2374 E-mail: alewis at nfb.org To
>>>>>>>> cosponsor the bill, contact:
>>>>>>>> James Thomas in Congressman Cliff Stearns's office
>>>>>>>> Phone: (202) 225-5744 E-mail: james.thomas at mail.house.gov
>>>>>>>> -OR-
>>>>>>>> Tim Powers in Congressman Tim Bishop's office
>>>>>>>> Phone: (202) 225-3826 E-mail: tim.powers at mail.house.gov Voice
>>>>>>>> of the Nation's Blind Now, when this was taken up at the ACB's
>>>>>>>> convention, there was a "do
>>>> not
>>>>>>>> pass" recommendation. It went through. This made me very upset,
>>>>>>>> and proves, that in my opinion, ACB does not care about the
>>>>>>>> future of the BLIND. Therefore, I've decided to give the NFB
>>>>>>>> another try, once I can afford to, I will pay my dues, to join NFB.
>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading.
>>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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