[nfb-talk] The way people write: was:

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Tue Jul 17 02:57:12 UTC 2012 

Hello,
I get mixed up just getting mixed up,
Ask Mike Freeman giggle.
How on earth would I remember all of the new ways to write.
I am pleased to be able to write at all.
This is with the IPhone.
Happy for those who understand what is happening.
Guess I tell my age.
the new Braille as well, I am doing well to keep up with grade two Braille.
Now that I write all out, as we call it grade one Braille, I tend to 
forget contractions how to write them.
I can read Braille with the best, where to think of how to reply and 
write back, I will need to find a contraction book.
Or paper that has all of the contractions.

Original message:
> Hi,
> writing is being lost due to short form communication.
> I suggest reading up on punctuation to learn it if needed. A great site to
> see the properly punctuated writing as well
> as the rules of sentences is the Purdue OWL site. OWL is online writing lab.

> Another site is www.grammarbook.com.

> Ashley

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:11 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: [nfb-talk] The way people write: was:

> Quite right Mike.  To write well is truly an art form.  I fear it is being
> lost amonst the want for instant everything.

> Say, perhaps the NFB writer's devision might have something to offer here.


> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

> Skype name:
> barefootedray

> On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:


>> Amen, bro! Perhaps people no longer have the attention spans to write
>> decently.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:57 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the NFB,
>> please read.

>> For my part, I wish some people would properly punctuate their sentences.
>> Using an Iphone or other touch device is no excuse.  I know of lists
>> where,
>> let one word be misspelled, let one single punctuation mark be out of
>> place,
>> and you get thrown off the list.

>> Honestly, I think people are becoming sloppy with their writing not only
>> because they're using short form  writing on a touch screen device; but,
>> also, the art of truly good writing is vanishing.  It almost seems as if
>> nobody knows how to write correctly anymore;  let alone write well.


>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray

>> On Jul 16, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:

>>> I wish people would spell correctly and do not use short form in typing.
>> it makes it sound gibberish to a screen reader without proper words
>> written.

>>> -----Original Message----- From: don nepple
>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:14 AM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the
>>> NFB,
>> please read.


>>> well mike good poast good too have you on bord now on too the radio i
>>> have
>> too think about i do not have the money too go to nfbn but haveing a
>> radistatechen well oi do not know it might be oo cay but then we do have
>> news line so has i think about this no.now on too the streem it did not
>> work
>> for me i think that becuse i did not have cookes that is maby i could
>> lissen
>> too it.but agan mike glaed too have you on bord get your duse padyed.o
>> wher
>> are you frum i am frum idaho.


>>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:16:12 -0500
>>>> From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining the
>> NFB, please read.

>>>> I've noticed something!
>>>> They have Dr Jernigan's and Dr Maurer's speeches, but why aren't
>>>> there any old recordings of Dr Tenbroek, on the site to listen to?
>>>> Thanks, Joshua

>>>> On 7/15/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>>> Go to the NFB web site, then to "Members" and you'll find links to
>>>>> affiliates and divisions.

>>>>> Mike


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of qubit
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 7:53 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining
>>>>> the > NFB, please read.

>>>>> I disagree -- acbradio is a good resource -- I mean, how many
>>>>> thousand people listen to Main "Menu" to get the low down on the
>>>>> latest adaptive technology? (Actually I haven't listened to Main
>>>>> Menu in quite some time
>>>>> --
>>>>> is it still on the air?) I haven't listened to any of their other
>>>>> programming, but I always thought acbradio was a good resource.
>>>>> Now on another note, where do I go to find my local chapter
>>>>> website? I haven't paid my dues...
>>>>> --le



>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 4:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining
>>>>> the NFB,please read.


>>>>> Ray has a good point. Further more, why would we want to have a
>>>>> radio station, so we can be like the other guys? The NFB does not
>>>>> need a radio station, as we are into getting things done. A radio
>>>>> station for those > who do not choose to work, which I know is no
>>>>> one here, to sit around and listen to. I think the NFB would rather
>>>>> try to help put those people to work, making money and income.

>>>>> 2cents worth,
>>>>> Marsha


>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 5:44 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of joining
>>>>> the NFB,please read.

>>>>> And, with what money would you fund this radio station and take
>>>>> away > help from those blind people who need our help? With what
>>>>> money would you > hire the staff, blind or sighted?

>>>>> Point is this. Just think how much money is being exausted by the
>>>>> other folks with their fancy station. To what better use might that
>>>>> money be put?


>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>> On Jul 15, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:

>>>>>> Why can't the NFB take "Through Our Eyes," and turn it into KNFB
>> Radio?
>>>>>> The NFB needs its own radio station!
>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua

>>>>>> On 7/15/12, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Not to mention which, the ACB complained when we set up our NFB
>>>>>>> Newsline service. Jallous maybe because we were the ones who did it.

>>>>>>> I might point out that we stream our national conventions now;
>>>>>>> and, the stream actually works.


>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray

>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Roger devin Prater wrote:

>>>>>>>> Well, I've also thought about joining the NFB, because they
>>>>>>>> actually provide services like the NFB newsline and things like
>>>>>>>> that, and I don't really know of any that the ACB provides
>>>>>>>> besides their ACB >>>> radio
>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester"
>>>>>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:00 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] My reasons for reconsideration of
>>>>>>>> joining the
>>>>> NFB,
>>>>>>>> please read.


>>>>>>>> Glad to hear this!
>>>>>>>> Welcome to the NFB!
>>>>>>>> Another convert here!
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua

>>>>>>>> On 7/15/12, Michael Capelle <michael.capelle at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>>> This is going to be a long post, and a lot of heads will turn,
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>> For many years, a lot of people will know, that I was heavilly
>>>>>>>>> involved in the American Council of the Blind, (ACB). Well,
>>>>>>>>> this years
>>>>> convention
>>>>>>>>> definitely decided for me, read on, and you will find out why.
>>>>>>>>> Now, before I continue, I want everyone to remember, that I'm
>>>>>>>>> not trying to bash ACB, just speaking my opinion. First of all,
>>>>>>>>> the biggest complaint I had, was I felt the
>>>>>>>>> conference/convention was very disorganized. The roll call of
>>>>>>>>> states, seemed very disorganized, and
>>>>> honestly, the "fat"
>>>>>>>>> jokes were getting very old. Then, on monday, the door prize
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> not even ready, to hand out door prizes. I just felt it was not
>>>>>>>>> good as in previous years. Now, on to the biggest complaint. as
>>>>>>>>> some of you know, we are in the process of passing a bill, for
>>>>>>>>> the subminimum
>>>>> wages.
>>>>>>>>> Basically, making it illegal to pay blind persons less money
>>>>>>>>> then their sighted colleagues. The following information,
>>>>>>>>> below, is taken from the publication. The NFB, (national
>>>>>>>>> Federation of the
>>>>>>>>> Blind) definitely supports this, and so do I, again, see below.
>>>>>>>>> Voice of the Nation's Blind
>>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Logo Marc Maurer, President
>>>>>>>>> 200 East Wells Street
>>>>>>>>> at Jernigan Place
>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>>>>> Phone 410 659 9314 Fax 410 685 5653 www.nfb.org The Fair Wages
>>>>>>>>> for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011 H.R. 3086 Disabled
>>>>>>>>> workers have been unfairly excluded from the federal minimum
>>>>>>>>> wage for 74 years, and today over 300,000 disabled workers are
>>>>>>>>> working for subminimum wages.
>>>>>>>>> Section 14(c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)
>>>>>>>>> discriminates against people with disabilities. This section
>>>>>>>>> allows the Secretary of Labor to grant special wage
>>>>>>>>> certificates to employers, permitting them to pay their workers
>>>>>>>>> with disabilities less than the minimum wage,
>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>> in sheltered work environments. In some instances disabled
>>>>>>>>> workers are being paid pennies per hour.
>>>>>>>>> This discrimination is rooted in low expectations based on
>>>>>>>>> misconceptions about the capabilities of disabled people. The
>>>>>>>>> law falsely implies that people with disabilities cannot be
>>>>>>>>> productive employees, and subminimum wage employers prey on
>>>>>>>>> society's
>>>>> misconception
>>>>>>>>> that disabled people are incapable of being competitively employed.
>>>>>>>>> In reality, when provided the proper rehabilitation training
>>>>>>>>> and tools, workers with disabilities can be productive and
>>>>>>>>> financially
>>>>> independent.
>>>>>>>>> Subminimum wage supports an outdated business model that
>>>>>>>>> fosters the underemployment of workers with disabilities.
>>>>>>>>> Section 14(c) was only to be used "to the extent necessary to
>>>>>>>>> prevent curtailment of opportunities" for employment of people
>>>>>>>>> with disabilities. Instead, subminimum-wage sheltered workshops
>>>>>>>>> have eroded into day custody centers, limiting opportunities
>>>>>>>>> for workers with disabilities ever to transition into
>>>>>>>>> integrated, competitive work. These institutions
>>>>> instill
>>>>>>>>> a philosophy of incapacity, which becomes a self-fulfilling
>>>>>>>>> prophecy resulting in long-term underemployment.
>>>>>>>>> The sheltered work system is a cash cow for the subminimum wage
>>>>>>>>> employer. Many employers insist that paying the minimum wage to
>>>>> disabled
>>>>>>>>> employees would result in lack of profitability and a reduction
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> workforce, but most benefit from philanthropic donations,
>>>>>>>>> preferred status when bidding on federal contracts, and federal
>> funding.
>>>>> Moreover,
>>>>>>>>> while their disabled workers receive subminimum wages that are
>>>>>>>>> subsidized by Social Security and public assistance, some
>>>>>>>>> workshop executives are earning salaries far above industry
>>>>>>>>> norms. The economics overwhelmingly favor subminimum wage
>>>>>>>>> employers, encouraging the perpetuation of subminimum wage
>>>>>>>>> employment and leaving workers with disabilities little to no
>>>>>>>>> choice for real
>>>>> employment.
>>>>>>>>> The Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011:
>>>>>>>>> Discontinues the practice of issuing special wage certificates.
>>>>>>>>> The secretary of labor will no longer issue special wage
>>>>>>>>> certificates to
>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> applicants.
>>>>>>>>> Phases out all remaining special wage certificates over a
>>>>>>>>> 3-year
>>>>> period.
>>>>>>>>> Entities currently holding special wage certificates will begin
>>>>>>>>> compensating their workers with disabilities at no less than
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> federal
>>>>>>>>> minimum wage, using the following schedule:
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> private for-profit entities' certificates will be revoked after
>>>>>>>>> 1 year; .
>>>>>>>>> public or governmental entities' certificates will be revoked
>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>> 2 years; and .
>>>>>>>>> non-profit entities' certificates will be revoked after 3 years.
>>>>>>>>> Repeals Section14(c) of the FLSA. Three years after the law is
>>>>>>>>> enacted, the practice of paying disabled workers subminimum
>>>>>>>>> wage will be officially abolished, and workers with
>>>>>>>>> disabilities will no longer be excluded from the workforce
>>>>>>>>> protection of a federal >>>>> minimum
>>>>> wage.
>>>>>>>>> STOP THE DISCRIMINATION
>>>>>>>>> PROMOTE EQUAL WORK FOR EQUAL PAY Cosponsor the Fair Wages for
>>>>>>>>> Workers with Disabilities Act H.R.
>>>>>>>>> 3086 For more information contact:
>>>>>>>>> Anil Lewis, Director of Strategic Communications National
>>>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>> Phone: (410) 659-9314, Extension 2374 E-mail: alewis at nfb.org To
>>>>>>>>> cosponsor the bill, contact:
>>>>>>>>> James Thomas in Congressman Cliff Stearns's office
>>>>>>>>> Phone: (202) 225-5744 E-mail: james.thomas at mail.house.gov
>>>>>>>>> -OR-
>>>>>>>>> Tim Powers in Congressman Tim Bishop's office
>>>>>>>>> Phone: (202) 225-3826 E-mail: tim.powers at mail.house.gov Voice
>>>>>>>>> of the Nation's Blind Now, when this was taken up at the ACB's
>>>>>>>>> convention, there was a "do
>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> pass" recommendation. It went through. This made me very upset,
>>>>>>>>> and proves, that in my opinion, ACB does not care about the
>>>>>>>>> future of the BLIND. Therefore, I've decided to give the NFB
>>>>>>>>> another try, once I can afford to, I will pay my dues, to join NFB.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading.
>>>>>>>>> Mike.


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