[nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream

ckrugman at sbcglobal.net ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Sun Feb 3 17:30:45 CST 2013


yes, and while some may think it isn't a satifactory alternative Alazon did 
offer the accessible version of Kindle for PC.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Westbrook" <westbchris at gmail.com>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream


> Ray, "picking a fight" is a very inflammable term that I don't think 
> applies here.  Even in the instance of the kindle, I don't think amazon is 
> excluding blind people because they hate us, I think they have made a 
> business decision which they erroneously feel is in their best interest to 
> not in their view waste extra resources on providing accessibility.  It is 
> our job to show them that legally and otherwise they are mistaken.
> On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Dave, in large  part, I cannot and do not quarrel with what you say here. 
>> Nevertheless, it does seem to me that, with Amazon not being willing to 
>> listen to the NFB when we ask for accessibility to the dKendal and better 
>> access to other stuff from Amazon, well, seems to me they are looking for 
>> a fight.  Yes, audible.com and Amazon are linked so far as password 
>> access may be concerned, but, it's my belief that Audible still retains 
>> independent control over that which was once theirs.  I think that, until 
>> we receive hard evidence that Amazon is telling Audible not to be at all 
>> blind friendly, we ought perhaps to assume that they will.  Fair enough?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my mac
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:44 AM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks, unlike what some people want you to believe, Amazon/Audible have 
>>> not singled out the blind.  They have a policy of only supporting Apple 
>>> iOS and Android apps, and have stopped supporting other new devices 
>>> including many MP3 players that sighted persons use.  Further, it would 
>>> appear that since they now support the Stream -- that they will support 
>>> the new Stream.
>>>
>>> I don't agree with everything that amazon does -- they are not very 
>>> blind friendly -- but let's be fair.  We can't expect cooperation and 
>>> work on their part if we shoot them down for something that applies to 
>>> everybody.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 07:42 PM 2/2/2013, you wrote:
>>>> Is begging to have someone take them to court.
>>>>
>>>> Loren
>>>>
>>>> Let's hope so Michael.  Is amazon asking to have a fight?  It seems 
>>>> that
>>>> their reluctance and outright refusal to let the kindle be accessible,
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Michael D.
>>>> Barber
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:44 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream
>>>>
>>>> I just heard from someone yesterday who received an e-mail from 
>>>> Audible.com
>>>> that they are indeed working to restore this.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim
>>>> Portillo
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:15 PM
>>>> To: mike at michaelhingson.com; 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream
>>>>
>>>> I saw something on Twitter that said otherwise.  I read that they were
>>>> working on making their books accessible and useable by new Victor 
>>>> Stream
>>>> users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Michael
>>>> Hingson
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:43 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'; 'Research and Development Committee
>>>> (appointed)'
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream
>>>>
>>>> As you may know, Audible.com has chosen to exclude devices used by the 
>>>> blind
>>>> like the Book Port Desktop and the new  Victor ReaderStream from using
>>>> Audible. Below please find some important information which includes an
>>>> email address to write to about this unfortunate situation.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Acosta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to provide everyone with an email address to send a complaint 
>>>> email
>>>> to Audible about their decision to no longer provide access to audible
>>>> content to the new Victor reader Stream. I telephoned Audible this 
>>>> morning
>>>> and was advised that the more complaints received by Audible, the 
>>>> better the
>>>> hope is that the policy will change. The email is 
>>>> greatideas at audible.com
>>>> Yes, I confirmed the address several times and this is the address used 
>>>> by
>>>> the department which deals with accessibility features.
>>>>
>>>> I have no proof of this, but I suspect that this is the first step in 
>>>> the
>>>> process of limiting audible access to devices used exclusively by the
>>>> visually impaired community such as the Stream, the Bookport and 
>>>> others. Not
>>>> everyone has access to or can afford an Iphone and I, for one, am 
>>>> distressed
>>>> at Audible's business decision here.
>>>>
>>>> Please consider sending an email to audible asking them to be more
>>>> accessible and continuing access to the stream, the bookport and other
>>>> devices for the visually impaired community. If we all make some 
>>>> effort,
>>>> maybe we can work together to improve access for everyone who is 
>>>> visually
>>>> impaired.
>>>> I have confirmed this from several sources.  Audible, or should we say
>>>> Amazon who owns Audible.com, is limiting the devices it will support 
>>>> for
>>>> playing Audible books.  Devices such as the new Victor Reader Stream 
>>>> and
>>>> other systems we use to read these books are excluded from supported
>>>> devices.  This is deplorable for a variety of reasons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I urge everyone to write Audible opposing its position and requesting 
>>>> that
>>>> Audible support book readers developed for use by blind persons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert Acosta, President
>>>> Helping Hands for the Blind
>>>> Email: boacosta at pacbell.net
>>>> Web Site: www.helpinghands4theblind.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can assist Helping Hands for the Blind by donating your used 
>>>> computers
>>>> to us. If you have a blind friend in need of a computer, please mail us 
>>>> at
>>>> the above address.
>>>
>>>
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