[nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream

[Michael Hingson]

Accessible is hardly what I would call the Kindle for pc.

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yes, and while some may think it isn't a satifactory alternative Alazon did
offer the accessible version of Kindle for PC.
Chuck
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From: "Chris Westbrook" <westbchris at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:28 AM
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> Ray, "picking a fight" is a very inflammable term that I don't think 
> applies here.  Even in the instance of the kindle, I don't think 
> amazon is excluding blind people because they hate us, I think they 
> have made a business decision which they erroneously feel is in their 
> best interest to not in their view waste extra resources on providing 
> accessibility.  It is our job to show them that legally and otherwise they
are mistaken.
> On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Dave, in large  part, I cannot and do not quarrel with what you say here.

>> Nevertheless, it does seem to me that, with Amazon not being willing 
>> to listen to the NFB when we ask for accessibility to the dKendal and 
>> better access to other stuff from Amazon, well, seems to me they are 
>> looking for a fight.  Yes, audible.com and Amazon are linked so far 
>> as password access may be concerned, but, it's my belief that Audible 
>> still retains independent control over that which was once theirs.  I 
>> think that, until we receive hard evidence that Amazon is telling 
>> Audible not to be at all blind friendly, we ought perhaps to assume that
they will.  Fair enough?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my mac
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:44 AM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks, unlike what some people want you to believe, Amazon/Audible 
>>> have not singled out the blind.  They have a policy of only 
>>> supporting Apple iOS and Android apps, and have stopped supporting 
>>> other new devices including many MP3 players that sighted persons 
>>> use.  Further, it would appear that since they now support the 
>>> Stream -- that they will support the new Stream.
>>>
>>> I don't agree with everything that amazon does -- they are not very 
>>> blind friendly -- but let's be fair.  We can't expect cooperation 
>>> and work on their part if we shoot them down for something that 
>>> applies to everybody.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 07:42 PM 2/2/2013, you wrote:
>>>> Is begging to have someone take them to court.
>>>>
>>>> Loren
>>>>
>>>> Let's hope so Michael.  Is amazon asking to have a fight?  It seems 
>>>> that their reluctance and outright refusal to let the kindle be 
>>>> accessible,
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Michael D.
>>>> Barber
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:44 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream
>>>>
>>>> I just heard from someone yesterday who received an e-mail from 
>>>> Audible.com that they are indeed working to restore this.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Jim Portillo
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:15 PM
>>>> To: mike at michaelhingson.com; 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream
>>>>
>>>> I saw something on Twitter that said otherwise.  I read that they 
>>>> were working on making their books accessible and useable by new 
>>>> Victor Stream users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:43 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'; 'Research and Development Committee 
>>>> (appointed)'
>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream
>>>>
>>>> As you may know, Audible.com has chosen to exclude devices used by 
>>>> the blind like the Book Port Desktop and the new  Victor 
>>>> ReaderStream from using Audible. Below please find some important 
>>>> information which includes an email address to write to about this 
>>>> unfortunate situation.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Acosta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to provide everyone with an email address to send a 
>>>> complaint email to Audible about their decision to no longer 
>>>> provide access to audible content to the new Victor reader Stream. 
>>>> I telephoned Audible this morning and was advised that the more 
>>>> complaints received by Audible, the better the hope is that the 
>>>> policy will change. The email is greatideas at audible.com Yes, I 
>>>> confirmed the address several times and this is the address used by 
>>>> the department which deals with accessibility features.
>>>>
>>>> I have no proof of this, but I suspect that this is the first step 
>>>> in the process of limiting audible access to devices used 
>>>> exclusively by the visually impaired community such as the Stream, 
>>>> the Bookport and others. Not everyone has access to or can afford 
>>>> an Iphone and I, for one, am distressed at Audible's business 
>>>> decision here.
>>>>
>>>> Please consider sending an email to audible asking them to be more 
>>>> accessible and continuing access to the stream, the bookport and 
>>>> other devices for the visually impaired community. If we all make 
>>>> some effort, maybe we can work together to improve access for 
>>>> everyone who is visually impaired.
>>>> I have confirmed this from several sources.  Audible, or should we 
>>>> say Amazon who owns Audible.com, is limiting the devices it will 
>>>> support for playing Audible books.  Devices such as the new Victor 
>>>> Reader Stream and other systems we use to read these books are 
>>>> excluded from supported devices.  This is deplorable for a variety 
>>>> of reasons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I urge everyone to write Audible opposing its position and 
>>>> requesting that Audible support book readers developed for use by 
>>>> blind persons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert Acosta, President
>>>> Helping Hands for the Blind
>>>> Email: boacosta at pacbell.net
>>>> Web Site: www.helpinghands4theblind.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can assist Helping Hands for the Blind by donating your used 
>>>> computers to us. If you have a blind friend in need of a computer, 
>>>> please mail us at the above address.
>>>
>>>
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