[nfb-talk] Guide Bots

Joshua Lester JLester8462 at pccua.edu
Fri May 31 19:54:40 UTC 2013


Yep!
That's what I do!
The problem is, that's half of my community!
Blessings, Joshua
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From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots

If you're dealing with one of those people, my advice is to just give
up — you done all the education you can do at that point.

Chris Nusbaum

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On May 31, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:

> That's the term I use for the stupid ones that no matter how many times you correct them, they just don't get it!
> Good grief!
> There is a difference between ignorant, and stupid.
> The ignorant ones actually want to know, but the stupid ones just don't care.
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sheila Leigland [sleigland at bresnan.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:11 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>
> hi I agree completely on this one. Part of showing respect is not using
> terms that can e insulting to others.
> On 5/31/2013 12:18 PM, Eddie Salcido wrote:
>> I know this message is late, but I'd like to address something that Joshua
>> said.  He called sighted people sighties.  How is that different from people
>> calling us blinks or blindies?  How can we expect to have a mature dialogue
>> with people when we use such terms?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
>> Lester
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:02 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>
>> Brian!
>> It's not that I have all kinds of problems, but it's that the ignorance is
>> getting old!
>> We need to do more as blind individuals to educate the sighties about us, so
>> we don't have to deal with the ignorance for much longer.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Schulz
>> [b.schulz at sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> if that gets you torqed, you've got more problems than that!
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Mrs. Gloria!
>>> I get so tired of ignorant ideots calling my cane a "stick!"
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gloria Whipple
>>> [glowhi at centurylink.net]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:35 PM
>>> To: 'Misty Dawn Bradley'; 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>
>>> Hi Misty,
>>>
>>> I agree with you on the GPS.
>>>
>>> I have had people tell me to leave my stick if I am going sighted guide
>>> with
>>> them. I tell them that my so called stick is part of me. I don't leave
>>> home
>>> without it.
>>>
>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty
>>> Dawn
>>> Bradley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:42
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>
>>> I am the same way. I have been using my cane since I was in kindergarten
>>> or
>>> first grade, which is about 20 years ago, so I don't feel right when I
>>> don't
>>>
>>> have my cane with me. I also like the challenge of figuring out things on
>>> my
>>>
>>> own, although it is nice to have a GPS sometimes, but it is not a
>>> necessity.
>>> Misty
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gloria Whipple" <glowhi at centurylink.net>
>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am not sure about this. I am so use to using my cane and like it.
>>>>
>>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>> Jacobson
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:28
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> To me, the idea of a device that is responsible for guiding, even if made
>>>> simpler as described here, adds so much complexity and
>>>> size that really has limited advantage to my way of thinking.  A small
>>>> device that could be mounted on a cane or connected to a
>>>> dog's leash to detect objects and provide feedback would provide most of
>>>> what a guiding device would without the size and other
>>>> complicating issues.  Why does it have to aim itself at all if the blind
>>>> person were to receive enough information to do the
>>>> aiming from a smaller travel aid?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2013 11:24:59 -0400, Michael Bullis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been thinking about a new travel device lately and would be
>>>>> interested
>>>>> in any feedback members might have.
>>>>> I've been wondering lately if there is enough reasonably priced portable
>>>>> processing power available to make a guide bot.
>>>>> From looking on the web there are a few projects, mostly not very
>>>>> efficient
>>>>> ones.  There is a company called nst that is working on it but expects to
>>>>> bring a product to market in the 2020's.  The reason most projects are so
>>>>> difficult is that they are spending inordinate amounts of time and money
>>>>> teaching the guide bots to climb stairs and fully "lead" the blind
>>>>> person.
>>>>> We know this is unnecessary.
>>>>> If you remove the necessity to "lead" the blind person the project
>>>>> becomes
>>>>> much simpler.
>>>>> The device doesn't need to climb stairs.  The blind person can simply
>>>>> lift
>>>>> it up or down.  This assumes of course that it is a lightweight  device.
>>>>> For example, suppose you have a two wheeled device with two forward
>>>>> facing
>>>>> cameras  and a handle on it that you direct.  You push the device down
>>>>> the
>>>>> sidewalk let's say.  When it detects an object that you should go around,
>>>> to
>>>>> the left, the left wheel has a brake on it.  When the left brake engages
>>>> and
>>>>> slows the left wheel, the device naturally turns that direction.  The
>>>>> same
>>>>> thing happens if you want to go right.  If there's a curb coming, both
>>>>> wheels slowly engage their brakes.
>>>>> At any time, if you as the person in charge wish to override the braking,
>>>>> you simply give a quick shove to the device.
>>>>> The blind person provides the forward motion, eliminating any need for
>>>>> motive power.  The only thing the device needs power for is processing
>>>>> and
>>>>> braking.
>>>>> Whether verbally, or with a small keypad, you tell the device what you
>>>>> want
>>>>> it to do.  If the device is going to talk to you at all it needs to be
>>>>> through an open-ear earbud.  But this may be unnecessary.
>>>>> I believe it would require two cameras for measuring distance and for
>>>>> scanning both in front and to the sides.
>>>>> In order for the device to be practical it would have to solve problems
>>>> that
>>>>> the cane and most dogs don't solve.  That is, it would have to detect
>>>>> objects at head height.  And, it would have to be fast.  The thing that
>>>>> limits a cane user in new territory is the necessity of slowing down
>>>>> while
>>>>> detecting an object and moving around it.
>>>>> I place a list of things below that are within reach of today's
>>>>> technology
>>>>> but I'm not sure if they are within the practical financial boundaries of
>>>>> a
>>>>> marketable device.
>>>>> I thought those of you who think about matters like this might weigh in
>>>>> on
>>>>> this and let me know.
>>>>> Here is my list of things the device could do.
>>>>> 1.  avoiding objects-people and other interferences to the path of travel
>>>>> 2.  Detecting objects as high as one's head.
>>>>> 3.  identifying curbs and ramps
>>>>> 4.  recognizing intersecting sidewalks or other paths of travel
>>>>> 5.  finding doors
>>>>> 6.  locating up or down stairs
>>>>> 7.  locating elevators
>>>>> 8.  locating elevator buttons
>>>>> 9.  finding restrooms
>>>>> 10.  finding empty urinals
>>>>> 11.  finding empty seats on busses or in conference rooms
>>>>> 12.  returning to an already found seat
>>>>> 13.  finding a bus stop
>>>>> 14.  finding a specific address
>>>>> 15.  following an indicated person
>>>>> I'd be interested in feedback on this idea.
>>>>> If you wish to write me off-line, do so at
>>>>> mbullis at imagemd.org
>>>>> Thanks for your thinking.
>>>>> Mike
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