[nfb-talk] Guide Bots

Fri May 31 22:01:22 UTC 2013

Can you guys change the subject on this thread?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 31 May 2013 15:30:46 -0400, christopher nusbaum wrote:

>If you're dealing with one of those people, my advice is to just give
>up  you done all the education you can do at that point.

>Chris Nusbaum

>Sent from my iPhone

>On May 31, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:

>> That's the term I use for the stupid ones that no matter how many times you correct them, they just don't get it!
>> Good grief!
>> There is a difference between ignorant, and stupid.
>> The ignorant ones actually want to know, but the stupid ones just don't care.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sheila Leigland [sleigland at bresnan.net]
>> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:11 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>
>> hi I agree completely on this one. Part of showing respect is not using
>> terms that can e insulting to others.
>> On 5/31/2013 12:18 PM, Eddie Salcido wrote:
>>> I know this message is late, but I'd like to address something that Joshua
>>> said.  He called sighted people sighties.  How is that different from people
>>> calling us blinks or blindies?  How can we expect to have a mature dialogue
>>> with people when we use such terms?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
>>> Lester
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:02 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>
>>> Brian!
>>> It's not that I have all kinds of problems, but it's that the ignorance is
>>> getting old!
>>> We need to do more as blind individuals to educate the sighties about us, so
>>> we don't have to deal with the ignorance for much longer.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Schulz
>>> [b.schulz at sbcglobal.net]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> if that gets you torqed, you've got more problems than that!
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>>> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Mrs. Gloria!
>>>> I get so tired of ignorant ideots calling my cane a "stick!"
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gloria Whipple
>>>> [glowhi at centurylink.net]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Misty Dawn Bradley'; 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>
>>>> Hi Misty,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you on the GPS.
>>>>
>>>> I have had people tell me to leave my stick if I am going sighted guide
>>>> with
>>>> them. I tell them that my so called stick is part of me. I don't leave
>>>> home
>>>> without it.
>>>>
>>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty
>>>> Dawn
>>>> Bradley
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:42
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>
>>>> I am the same way. I have been using my cane since I was in kindergarten
>>>> or
>>>> first grade, which is about 20 years ago, so I don't feel right when I
>>>> don't
>>>>
>>>> have my cane with me. I also like the challenge of figuring out things on
>>>> my
>>>>
>>>> own, although it is nice to have a GPS sometimes, but it is not a
>>>> necessity.
>>>> Misty
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Gloria Whipple" <glowhi at centurylink.net>
>>>> To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure about this. I am so use to using my cane and like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gloria Whipple
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>>> Jacobson
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:28
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, the idea of a device that is responsible for guiding, even if made
>>>>> simpler as described here, adds so much complexity and
>>>>> size that really has limited advantage to my way of thinking.  A small
>>>>> device that could be mounted on a cane or connected to a
>>>>> dog's leash to detect objects and provide feedback would provide most of
>>>>> what a guiding device would without the size and other
>>>>> complicating issues.  Why does it have to aim itself at all if the blind
>>>>> person were to receive enough information to do the
>>>>> aiming from a smaller travel aid?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2013 11:24:59 -0400, Michael Bullis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been thinking about a new travel device lately and would be
>>>>>> interested
>>>>>> in any feedback members might have.
>>>>>> I've been wondering lately if there is enough reasonably priced portable
>>>>>> processing power available to make a guide bot.
>>>>>> From looking on the web there are a few projects, mostly not very
>>>>>> efficient
>>>>>> ones.  There is a company called nst that is working on it but expects to
>>>>>> bring a product to market in the 2020's.  The reason most projects are so
>>>>>> difficult is that they are spending inordinate amounts of time and money
>>>>>> teaching the guide bots to climb stairs and fully "lead" the blind
>>>>>> person.
>>>>>> We know this is unnecessary.
>>>>>> If you remove the necessity to "lead" the blind person the project
>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>> much simpler.
>>>>>> The device doesn't need to climb stairs.  The blind person can simply
>>>>>> lift
>>>>>> it up or down.  This assumes of course that it is a lightweight  device.
>>>>>> For example, suppose you have a two wheeled device with two forward
>>>>>> facing
>>>>>> cameras  and a handle on it that you direct.  You push the device down
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> sidewalk let's say.  When it detects an object that you should go around,
>>>>> to
>>>>>> the left, the left wheel has a brake on it.  When the left brake engages
>>>>> and
>>>>>> slows the left wheel, the device naturally turns that direction.  The
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> thing happens if you want to go right.  If there's a curb coming, both
>>>>>> wheels slowly engage their brakes.
>>>>>> At any time, if you as the person in charge wish to override the braking,
>>>>>> you simply give a quick shove to the device.
>>>>>> The blind person provides the forward motion, eliminating any need for
>>>>>> motive power.  The only thing the device needs power for is processing
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> braking.
>>>>>> Whether verbally, or with a small keypad, you tell the device what you
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> it to do.  If the device is going to talk to you at all it needs to be
>>>>>> through an open-ear earbud.  But this may be unnecessary.
>>>>>> I believe it would require two cameras for measuring distance and for
>>>>>> scanning both in front and to the sides.
>>>>>> In order for the device to be practical it would have to solve problems
>>>>> that
>>>>>> the cane and most dogs don't solve.  That is, it would have to detect
>>>>>> objects at head height.  And, it would have to be fast.  The thing that
>>>>>> limits a cane user in new territory is the necessity of slowing down
>>>>>> while
>>>>>> detecting an object and moving around it.
>>>>>> I place a list of things below that are within reach of today's
>>>>>> technology
>>>>>> but I'm not sure if they are within the practical financial boundaries of
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> marketable device.
>>>>>> I thought those of you who think about matters like this might weigh in
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> this and let me know.
>>>>>> Here is my list of things the device could do.
>>>>>> 1.  avoiding objects-people and other interferences to the path of travel
>>>>>> 2.  Detecting objects as high as one's head.
>>>>>> 3.  identifying curbs and ramps
>>>>>> 4.  recognizing intersecting sidewalks or other paths of travel
>>>>>> 5.  finding doors
>>>>>> 6.  locating up or down stairs
>>>>>> 7.  locating elevators
>>>>>> 8.  locating elevator buttons
>>>>>> 9.  finding restrooms
>>>>>> 10.  finding empty urinals
>>>>>> 11.  finding empty seats on busses or in conference rooms
>>>>>> 12.  returning to an already found seat
>>>>>> 13.  finding a bus stop
>>>>>> 14.  finding a specific address
>>>>>> 15.  following an indicated person
>>>>>> I'd be interested in feedback on this idea.
>>>>>> If you wish to write me off-line, do so at
>>>>>> mbullis at imagemd.org
>>>>>> Thanks for your thinking.
>>>>>> Mike
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