[nfb-talk] Climate

Larry Wayland lhwayland at sbcglobal.net
Fri Jun 19 22:26:21 UTC 2015


John, I am not totally disagreeing with you on this.  Yes we need to fight
vigorously for accessibility rights in all reasonable areas, most especially
in education and the work place.  Having said that, I am going to repeat
that the political climate is not good at this time. Doesn't mean we don't
need to fight as a matter of fact we need to fight harder.  I have faced
some of these bad climate legislators  across a table in our State Capital.
One are two were friendly but most were not and some were bordering  on
being hostel.  They were in the process of repealing the technology law I
mentioned in a previous message. The speaker of the House told me that they
needed to protect the people of the state from a Law Suit.  I got the idea
that he felt the blind people of the state did not really have any rights. 
While the law was in place for 13 years, it was affective in causing
developers to set up regular meetings to discuss accessibility and things
were looking better, not great, but better.  I don't want to go into all the
story, its too long.  The law was successfully repealed and replaced withg
one that matches 508.  That was two years ago and now there is no meetings
no discussion and no accessibility development as far as I can tell.    
-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John Heim
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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:56 PM
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Cc: John Heim
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Climate

Come on, Larry, do you really think I was saying you had to change the world
all by yourself?

When I wrote of your negative attitude, I was talking about your comment
agreeing with Tom Freeman that the climate wasn't right for getting laws
passed to get things fixed. First of all, that's not even true. The truth is
that much of the progress that has been made has been in spite of the NFB's
efforts to derail it. I know that's hard to hear but it's true. I am not
questioning the sincerity of those involved but the fact is that the NFB has
been on the wrong, not to mention the losing side, of a lot of battles over
the past few years. Secondly, if the climate has changed to be against us,
lets change it back!

Look at what has happened with gay marriage over the past 2 or 3 years. 
The country did an almost complete about face on that issue over the past
few years. Any day now, it is probably going to be the law of the land.
Whatever you think of gay marriage, you have to admit that was in incredible
turnaround.

And we have one extraordinarily powerful weapon on our side -- the truth.
The truth has strength. It has power. With it, we can win.

[And no, I am not running for President of the NFB.]

On 06/17/2015 09:36 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
> It was a state law passed in Arkansas.  You are right, you don't know 
> me and it sure looked as though you were attacking me directly.  I 
> don't know what you see im my message that looks like a defeatist 
> attitude. I just said the laws are in place and they are not really 
> doing any good.  It looks as though the companies are just ignoring 
> them. I agree with you about being knocked down a thousand  times. It 
> sure seems that way sometimes, and you are right we should not ever accept
defeat.
> Larry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John 
> Heim via nfb-talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:10 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Cc: John Heim
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Climate
>
> First of all, your message is too vague for me to respond to in any 
> meaningful way. What law are you talking about?
>
> Secondly, when I said "you", I didn't mean you personally. I meant 
> everyone in the NFB. That should have been obvious.  For all I know 
> you personally arere on 18 boards of directors and are the president of 23
non-profits.
> That's not the point.
>
> On the other hand, you personally are responsible for helping to 
> prepetuate this defeatist attitude.  We can't win if we tell ourselves 
> we are beaten before we even start. I personally will never accept that.
> I don't care if I get knocked down a thousand times, I intend to keep 
> fighting. And I'll tell you, with iavit.org, sometimes I feel like 
> it's at least a thousand times already.
>
> On 06/17/2015 08:52 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
>> I did, we worked hard and got a law passed and it worked great for 15
> years.
>> Then a new administration came along and repealed the law. The law 
>> was used to successfully sue the state. If we could have gotten other 
>> states to pass a similar law it would have worked great, but other 
>> states were not able to pass a similar law so companies just refused 
>> to update the software we sued over so the reps thought they had to 
>> repeal the law to protect the state from other law suits. If other 
>> states had passed similar laws they would have been forced to make 
>> their software accessible and we would not be in this situation. So 
>> maybe you need to get off your butt! and get some laws passed your self!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John 
>> Heim via nfb-talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:18 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Cc: John Heim
>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Climate (was: Medical feeding tube not accessible 
>> to a
>> member)
>>
>> So what are you going to do about it? The problem I have with this 
>> attitude is that it is so often used as an excuse to not try. Just 
>> stop it! Stop! Get off your butts and get to work. Pass a resolution 
>> demanding accessible medical devices and then move heaven and earth 
>> to get the law passed.  And if you fail, try again only try harder. 
>> And if you fail again, try harder still!
>>
>> This is how the world is changed. It's not changed by sitting around 
>> and talking about how hard it is to change the world.
>>
>> On 06/17/2015 07:34 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
>>> Yes we have those laws,  and yet almost all TV systems are still not 
>>> accessible. Blind people are still having trouble with accessibility 
>>> in schools and with their jobs. I agree that the political climate 
>>> is not good for passing good solid laws at this time and I think it 
>>> will be a while before we see any serious improvement.
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> John Heim via nfb-talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:39 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: John Heim
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>> member
>>>
>>> In recent years, Congress has given us an improved ADA and the 
>>> Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act. The 
>>> Supreme Court signed off on accessible currency. I don't think the 
>>> political climate is anywhere near the impediment to progress that 
>>> you
>> make it out to be.
>>> On 06/17/2015 03:41 PM, Mike Freeman via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>> IMO it will require Congressional action to mandate accessibility 
>>>> -- something I deem highly unlikely in the current political climate.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Ken Chrane via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:29 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Ken Chrane
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>> member
>>>>
>>>> Greetings Fellow Federationists:
>>>> An issue of this kind may be brought up at our upcoming NFB 
>>>> Convention in Orlando, Florida.
>>>> Please pass the word around.
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Ken Chrane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ken Chrane via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:23 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Ken Chrane
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>> member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Roanna Bacchus via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:07 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>> member
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jason thanks for your message.  I do not know if there is a 
>>>> machine for feeding that is accessible to the blind.  I've never 
>>>> heard of medical tubes being accessible to the blind.  This is an 
>>>> interesting issue for your member.
>>>>
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