[nfb-talk] Climate

Karen Rose rosekm at earthlink.net
Sat Jun 20 04:21:01 UTC 2015 

Just a possible idea – here in Silicon Valley there are many many meet ups some of which are for developers dealing with accessibility among other things. Could you simply start a meet up on www.Meetup.com?

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> On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> John, I am not totally disagreeing with you on this.  Yes we need to fight
> vigorously for accessibility rights in all reasonable areas, most especially
> in education and the work place.  Having said that, I am going to repeat
> that the political climate is not good at this time. Doesn't mean we don't
> need to fight as a matter of fact we need to fight harder.  I have faced
> some of these bad climate legislators  across a table in our State Capital.
> One are two were friendly but most were not and some were bordering  on
> being hostel.  They were in the process of repealing the technology law I
> mentioned in a previous message. The speaker of the House told me that they
> needed to protect the people of the state from a Law Suit.  I got the idea
> that he felt the blind people of the state did not really have any rights. 
> While the law was in place for 13 years, it was affective in causing
> developers to set up regular meetings to discuss accessibility and things
> were looking better, not great, but better.  I don't want to go into all the
> story, its too long.  The law was successfully repealed and replaced withg
> one that matches 508.  That was two years ago and now there is no meetings
> no discussion and no accessibility development as far as I can tell.    
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John Heim
> via nfb-talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:56 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Cc: John Heim
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Climate
> 
> Come on, Larry, do you really think I was saying you had to change the world
> all by yourself?
> 
> When I wrote of your negative attitude, I was talking about your comment
> agreeing with Tom Freeman that the climate wasn't right for getting laws
> passed to get things fixed. First of all, that's not even true. The truth is
> that much of the progress that has been made has been in spite of the NFB's
> efforts to derail it. I know that's hard to hear but it's true. I am not
> questioning the sincerity of those involved but the fact is that the NFB has
> been on the wrong, not to mention the losing side, of a lot of battles over
> the past few years. Secondly, if the climate has changed to be against us,
> lets change it back!
> 
> Look at what has happened with gay marriage over the past 2 or 3 years. 
> The country did an almost complete about face on that issue over the past
> few years. Any day now, it is probably going to be the law of the land.
> Whatever you think of gay marriage, you have to admit that was in incredible
> turnaround.
> 
> And we have one extraordinarily powerful weapon on our side -- the truth.
> The truth has strength. It has power. With it, we can win.
> 
> [And no, I am not running for President of the NFB.]
> 
>> On 06/17/2015 09:36 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
>> It was a state law passed in Arkansas.  You are right, you don't know 
>> me and it sure looked as though you were attacking me directly.  I 
>> don't know what you see im my message that looks like a defeatist 
>> attitude. I just said the laws are in place and they are not really 
>> doing any good.  It looks as though the companies are just ignoring 
>> them. I agree with you about being knocked down a thousand  times. It 
>> sure seems that way sometimes, and you are right we should not ever accept
> defeat.
>> Larry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John 
>> Heim via nfb-talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:10 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Cc: John Heim
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Climate
>> 
>> First of all, your message is too vague for me to respond to in any 
>> meaningful way. What law are you talking about?
>> 
>> Secondly, when I said "you", I didn't mean you personally. I meant 
>> everyone in the NFB. That should have been obvious.  For all I know 
>> you personally arere on 18 boards of directors and are the president of 23
> non-profits.
>> That's not the point.
>> 
>> On the other hand, you personally are responsible for helping to 
>> prepetuate this defeatist attitude.  We can't win if we tell ourselves 
>> we are beaten before we even start. I personally will never accept that.
>> I don't care if I get knocked down a thousand times, I intend to keep 
>> fighting. And I'll tell you, with iavit.org, sometimes I feel like 
>> it's at least a thousand times already.
>> 
>>> On 06/17/2015 08:52 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
>>> I did, we worked hard and got a law passed and it worked great for 15
>> years.
>>> Then a new administration came along and repealed the law. The law 
>>> was used to successfully sue the state. If we could have gotten other 
>>> states to pass a similar law it would have worked great, but other 
>>> states were not able to pass a similar law so companies just refused 
>>> to update the software we sued over so the reps thought they had to 
>>> repeal the law to protect the state from other law suits. If other 
>>> states had passed similar laws they would have been forced to make 
>>> their software accessible and we would not be in this situation. So 
>>> maybe you need to get off your butt! and get some laws passed your self!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John 
>>> Heim via nfb-talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:18 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: John Heim
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Climate (was: Medical feeding tube not accessible 
>>> to a
>>> member)
>>> 
>>> So what are you going to do about it? The problem I have with this 
>>> attitude is that it is so often used as an excuse to not try. Just 
>>> stop it! Stop! Get off your butts and get to work. Pass a resolution 
>>> demanding accessible medical devices and then move heaven and earth 
>>> to get the law passed.  And if you fail, try again only try harder. 
>>> And if you fail again, try harder still!
>>> 
>>> This is how the world is changed. It's not changed by sitting around 
>>> and talking about how hard it is to change the world.
>>> 
>>>> On 06/17/2015 07:34 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>> Yes we have those laws,  and yet almost all TV systems are still not 
>>>> accessible. Blind people are still having trouble with accessibility 
>>>> in schools and with their jobs. I agree that the political climate 
>>>> is not good for passing good solid laws at this time and I think it 
>>>> will be a while before we see any serious improvement.
>>>> Larry
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> John Heim via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:39 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: John Heim
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>> member
>>>> 
>>>> In recent years, Congress has given us an improved ADA and the 
>>>> Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act. The 
>>>> Supreme Court signed off on accessible currency. I don't think the 
>>>> political climate is anywhere near the impediment to progress that 
>>>> you
>>> make it out to be.
>>>>> On 06/17/2015 03:41 PM, Mike Freeman via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>> IMO it will require Congressional action to mandate accessibility 
>>>>> -- something I deem highly unlikely in the current political climate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Ken Chrane via nfb-talk
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:29 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Cc: Ken Chrane
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>>> member
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greetings Fellow Federationists:
>>>>> An issue of this kind may be brought up at our upcoming NFB 
>>>>> Convention in Orlando, Florida.
>>>>> Please pass the word around.
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ken Chrane
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Ken Chrane via nfb-talk
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:23 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Cc: Ken Chrane
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>>> member
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Roanna Bacchus via nfb-talk
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:07 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>>> member
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jason thanks for your message.  I do not know if there is a 
>>>>> machine for feeding that is accessible to the blind.  I've never 
>>>>> heard of medical tubes being accessible to the blind.  This is an 
>>>>> interesting issue for your member.
>>>>> 
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