[nfb-talk] Climate

Sun Jun 21 13:06:14 UTC 2015

Hello Karen Rose,

Meetup is for finding events within your community. I think you can add
your own event to the site now. Good Luck

Jimmy Hulme
New Jersey
jim.hulme at gmail.com

On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Karen Rose via nfb-talk <
nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Just a possible idea – here in Silicon Valley there are many many meet ups
> some of which are for developers dealing with accessibility among other
> things. Could you simply start a meet up on www.Meetup.com?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk <
> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > John, I am not totally disagreeing with you on this.  Yes we need to
> fight
> > vigorously for accessibility rights in all reasonable areas, most
> especially
> > in education and the work place.  Having said that, I am going to repeat
> > that the political climate is not good at this time. Doesn't mean we
> don't
> > need to fight as a matter of fact we need to fight harder.  I have faced
> > some of these bad climate legislators  across a table in our State
> Capital.
> > One are two were friendly but most were not and some were bordering  on
> > being hostel.  They were in the process of repealing the technology law I
> > mentioned in a previous message. The speaker of the House told me that
> they
> > needed to protect the people of the state from a Law Suit.  I got the
> idea
> > that he felt the blind people of the state did not really have any
> rights.
> > While the law was in place for 13 years, it was affective in causing
> > developers to set up regular meetings to discuss accessibility and things
> > were looking better, not great, but better.  I don't want to go into all
> the
> > story, its too long.  The law was successfully repealed and replaced
> withg
> > one that matches 508.  That was two years ago and now there is no
> meetings
> > no discussion and no accessibility development as far as I can tell.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John
> Heim
> > via nfb-talk
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:56 PM
> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> > Cc: John Heim
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Climate
> >
> > Come on, Larry, do you really think I was saying you had to change the
> world
> > all by yourself?
> >
> > When I wrote of your negative attitude, I was talking about your comment
> > agreeing with Tom Freeman that the climate wasn't right for getting laws
> > passed to get things fixed. First of all, that's not even true. The
> truth is
> > that much of the progress that has been made has been in spite of the
> NFB's
> > efforts to derail it. I know that's hard to hear but it's true. I am not
> > questioning the sincerity of those involved but the fact is that the NFB
> has
> > been on the wrong, not to mention the losing side, of a lot of battles
> over
> > the past few years. Secondly, if the climate has changed to be against
> us,
> > lets change it back!
> >
> > Look at what has happened with gay marriage over the past 2 or 3 years.
> > The country did an almost complete about face on that issue over the past
> > few years. Any day now, it is probably going to be the law of the land.
> > Whatever you think of gay marriage, you have to admit that was in
> incredible
> > turnaround.
> >
> > And we have one extraordinarily powerful weapon on our side -- the truth.
> > The truth has strength. It has power. With it, we can win.
> >
> > [And no, I am not running for President of the NFB.]
> >
> >> On 06/17/2015 09:36 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
> >> It was a state law passed in Arkansas.  You are right, you don't know
> >> me and it sure looked as though you were attacking me directly.  I
> >> don't know what you see im my message that looks like a defeatist
> >> attitude. I just said the laws are in place and they are not really
> >> doing any good.  It looks as though the companies are just ignoring
> >> them. I agree with you about being knocked down a thousand  times. It
> >> sure seems that way sometimes, and you are right we should not ever
> accept
> > defeat.
> >> Larry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John
> >> Heim via nfb-talk
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:10 PM
> >> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >> Cc: John Heim
> >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Climate
> >>
> >> First of all, your message is too vague for me to respond to in any
> >> meaningful way. What law are you talking about?
> >>
> >> Secondly, when I said "you", I didn't mean you personally. I meant
> >> everyone in the NFB. That should have been obvious.  For all I know
> >> you personally arere on 18 boards of directors and are the president of
> 23
> > non-profits.
> >> That's not the point.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, you personally are responsible for helping to
> >> prepetuate this defeatist attitude.  We can't win if we tell ourselves
> >> we are beaten before we even start. I personally will never accept that.
> >> I don't care if I get knocked down a thousand times, I intend to keep
> >> fighting. And I'll tell you, with iavit.org, sometimes I feel like
> >> it's at least a thousand times already.
> >>
> >>> On 06/17/2015 08:52 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
> >>> I did, we worked hard and got a law passed and it worked great for 15
> >> years.
> >>> Then a new administration came along and repealed the law. The law
> >>> was used to successfully sue the state. If we could have gotten other
> >>> states to pass a similar law it would have worked great, but other
> >>> states were not able to pass a similar law so companies just refused
> >>> to update the software we sued over so the reps thought they had to
> >>> repeal the law to protect the state from other law suits. If other
> >>> states had passed similar laws they would have been forced to make
> >>> their software accessible and we would not be in this situation. So
> >>> maybe you need to get off your butt! and get some laws passed your
> self!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John
> >>> Heim via nfb-talk
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:18 PM
> >>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >>> Cc: John Heim
> >>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Climate (was: Medical feeding tube not accessible
> >>> to a
> >>> member)
> >>>
> >>> So what are you going to do about it? The problem I have with this
> >>> attitude is that it is so often used as an excuse to not try. Just
> >>> stop it! Stop! Get off your butts and get to work. Pass a resolution
> >>> demanding accessible medical devices and then move heaven and earth
> >>> to get the law passed.  And if you fail, try again only try harder.
> >>> And if you fail again, try harder still!
> >>>
> >>> This is how the world is changed. It's not changed by sitting around
> >>> and talking about how hard it is to change the world.
> >>>
> >>>> On 06/17/2015 07:34 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
> >>>> Yes we have those laws,  and yet almost all TV systems are still not
> >>>> accessible. Blind people are still having trouble with accessibility
> >>>> in schools and with their jobs. I agree that the political climate
> >>>> is not good for passing good solid laws at this time and I think it
> >>>> will be a while before we see any serious improvement.
> >>>> Larry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >>>> John Heim via nfb-talk
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:39 PM
> >>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >>>> Cc: John Heim
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a
> >>>> member
> >>>>
> >>>> In recent years, Congress has given us an improved ADA and the
> >>>> Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act. The
> >>>> Supreme Court signed off on accessible currency. I don't think the
> >>>> political climate is anywhere near the impediment to progress that
> >>>> you
> >>> make it out to be.
> >>>>> On 06/17/2015 03:41 PM, Mike Freeman via nfb-talk wrote:
> >>>>> IMO it will require Congressional action to mandate accessibility
> >>>>> -- something I deem highly unlikely in the current political climate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >>>>> Ken Chrane via nfb-talk
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:29 PM
> >>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >>>>> Cc: Ken Chrane
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a
> >>>>> member
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greetings Fellow Federationists:
> >>>>> An issue of this kind may be brought up at our upcoming NFB
> >>>>> Convention in Orlando, Florida.
> >>>>> Please pass the word around.
> >>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ken Chrane
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Ken Chrane via nfb-talk
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:23 PM
> >>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >>>>> Cc: Ken Chrane
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a
> >>>>> member
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Roanna Bacchus via nfb-talk
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:07 PM
> >>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> >>>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a
> >>>>> member
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Jason thanks for your message.  I do not know if there is a
> >>>>> machine for feeding that is accessible to the blind.  I've never
> >>>>> heard of medical tubes being accessible to the blind.  This is an
> >>>>> interesting issue for your member.
> >>>>>
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