[nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer} Disabled protesters dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind organizations?

Tue Jun 27 14:41:33 UTC 2017

Good Morning again List,
I do not think that sarcasm will get us anywhere.  Both sides have good and
bad points.  It is true that we cannot spend money we do not have.  Some
republicans want to leave the pre existing conditions alone.  Let us
encourage them instead of condemning everything Republicans do.

By the way, I have some Libertarian views.

Marianne

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dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind organizations?

Nice going, Loren, you're really making a great case -- for the liberals.
It reminds me of something though. I've been talking about Senator Ron
Johnson ofWisconsin. He has a daughter, who as an infant, had a heart
condition  that cost a fortune to fix. Somehow, in Senator Johnson's mind,
that's a reason to get rid of the rule requiring providers to accept people
with pre-existing conditions. So this rich guy, who married into his money
btw, has his daughter get this fabulous treatment and says to himself,
"Yeah, I'm going to dedicate the rest of my life to making sure health care
providers don't have to cover pre-existing conditions." This is not an
exaggeration. His reasoning is a little difficult to follow so I'm just
going to provide a link to an article where he explains it:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/sen-johnson-health-care-freedom-saved-my
-daughter-s-life-obamacare-will-lead-rationing

saved-my-daughter-s-life-obamacare-will-lead-rationing

I don't know about the rest of you but it seems to me that Ron Johnson ought
to be saying, "There but for the grace of God go I" instead of trying to
take health care away from millions of other Americans.

On 06/27/2017 01:35 AM, Loren Wakefield via nfb-talk wrote:
 > I hope you enjoy California as it follows Illinois in to total collapse.
 > Then absolutely onoone will receive anything.  Enjoy.
 >
 > Loren
 >
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karen
Rose  > via nfb-talk  > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:24 AM  > To: NFB Talk
Mailing List  > Cc: Karen Rose  > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Fwd:
{Single Payer} Disabled protesters  > dragged from McConnell's office! So
where our blind organizations?
 >
 > Obamacare is doing quite well here in California. I except Obamacare  >
insurances is part of my practice and we have had no problem with these  >
insurances. We have many companies in California in the Obama care program
> including expanded medic Kayde.
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 >> On Jun 25, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Maria via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
 >>
 >> Obama care is dying, so something needs to be done.  If there isn't  >>
any new proposals then millions of Americans will be left out in the  >>
cold.  Whether we like it or not things cannot continue as is because  >>
Obama care is collapsing and it needs to be replaced.  This  means  >> that
the government needs to work together to come up with something  >> that is
in the best interest of all Americans. instead of all this  >> fear
mongering and division they need to come  together and find  > solutions.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> -----Original Message-----
 >> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karen
>> Rose via nfb-talk  >> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:01 PM  >> To: NFB
Talk Mailing List  >> Cc: Karen Rose; Jen  >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd:
{Single Payer} Disabled protesters  >> dragged from McConnell's office! So
where our blind organizations?
 >>
 >> So if we who are working plus the government do not pay for it then  >>
who will? What happens to those who cannot afford to pay for it? Is  >>
healthcare only the right of those who are wealthy? Or a human right  >> for
everyone  >>  >> Sent from my iPhone  >>  >>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 10:55 PM,
Loren Wakefield via nfb-talk  >> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> It probably is not the place for it.  However, since you aksed, the
>>> real  >> question is not if healthcare is a humany right; rather, the
question  >> should be, should or should not the government pay for it.  And
that  >> is way out of the bounds of this list in my humble opinion.  But it
is  >> a very interesting topic.
 >>>
 >>> Loren
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> -----Original Message-----
 >>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jack
>>> Heim via nfb-talk  >>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 10:26 PM  >>> To: NFB
Talk Mailing List  >>> Cc: Jack Heim; Jen  >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd:
{Single Payer} Disabled protesters  >>> dragged  >> from McConnell's office!
So where our blind organizations?
 >>>
 >>> Paul Ryan is a fan of Ayn Rand  and Rand Paul was named after her. So
>>> I  >> don't think they are going to be swayed by anything the United
Nations  > says.
 >> That might actually work against it.  And I am not sure it is possible
>> to carry on a philosophical debate on this list but I'd be interested  >>
in hearing what the conservatives on this list say. Is health care a  >>
human right?
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>> On 06/25/2017 07:47 PM, Jen via nfb-talk wrote:
 >>>> Hi Karen,
 >>>>
 >>>> I feel compelled to add to your message, with which I absolutely
agree.
 >> In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, health care is stated as
>> a huam right. I can pull up that part of the UCHR if you want.
 >> Personally, I feel health care is a human right.
 >>>>
 >>>> Jen
 >>>>
 >>>> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
 >>>>
 >>>> -----Original Message-----
 >>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of  >>>>
Karen Rose via nfb-talk  >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:32 PM  >>>> To:
NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>  >>>> Cc: Karen Rose
<rosekm at earthlink.net>  >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer}
Disabled protesters  >>>> dragged  >> from McConnell's office! So where our
blind organizations?
 >>>>
 >>>> I think the issue here is whether healthcare, not health insurance,
>>>> is a  >> right or a privilege. When we talk about our right to life
liberty and  >> the pursuit of happiness, doesn't that include the right to
visit a  >> doctor when needed and thus to remain alive? If so then we need
>> Medicare for all in the country from the time we are born to the time we
> die.
 >>>>
 >>>> Sent from my iPhone
 >>>>
 >>>>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Jack Heim via nfb-talk  >>
<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Ray, you need to learn to con
 >>
 >>
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