[nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer} Disabled protesters dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind organizations?
Jack Heim
john at johnheim.com
Tue Jun 27 15:28:01 UTC 2017
Marianne, just to be clear, you're talking about Loren's sarcasm, right?
I mean, you replied to my message but I am guessing you meant to
criticize Loren for saying he hopes Karen is happy when California
collapses and she loses her health care, right?
On 06/27/2017 09:41 AM, Marianne Haas via nfb-talk wrote:
> Good Morning again List,
> I do not think that sarcasm will get us anywhere. Both sides have good and
> bad points. It is true that we cannot spend money we do not have. Some
> republicans want to leave the pre existing conditions alone. Let us
> encourage them instead of condemning everything Republicans do.
>
> By the way, I have some Libertarian views.
>
> Marianne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jack Heim
> via nfb-talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:28 AM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Jack Heim
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer} Disabled protesters
> dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind organizations?
>
> Nice going, Loren, you're really making a great case -- for the liberals.
> It reminds me of something though. I've been talking about Senator Ron
> Johnson ofWisconsin. He has a daughter, who as an infant, had a heart
> condition that cost a fortune to fix. Somehow, in Senator Johnson's mind,
> that's a reason to get rid of the rule requiring providers to accept people
> with pre-existing conditions. So this rich guy, who married into his money
> btw, has his daughter get this fabulous treatment and says to himself,
> "Yeah, I'm going to dedicate the rest of my life to making sure health care
> providers don't have to cover pre-existing conditions." This is not an
> exaggeration. His reasoning is a little difficult to follow so I'm just
> going to provide a link to an article where he explains it:
> http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/sen-johnson-health-care-freedom-saved-my
> -daughter-s-life-obamacare-will-lead-rationing
>
> saved-my-daughter-s-life-obamacare-will-lead-rationing
>
> I don't know about the rest of you but it seems to me that Ron Johnson ought
> to be saying, "There but for the grace of God go I" instead of trying to
> take health care away from millions of other Americans.
>
> On 06/27/2017 01:35 AM, Loren Wakefield via nfb-talk wrote:
> > I hope you enjoy California as it follows Illinois in to total collapse.
> > Then absolutely onoone will receive anything. Enjoy.
> >
> > Loren
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karen
> Rose > via nfb-talk > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:24 AM > To: NFB Talk
> Mailing List > Cc: Karen Rose > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Fwd:
> {Single Payer} Disabled protesters > dragged from McConnell's office! So
> where our blind organizations?
> >
> > Obamacare is doing quite well here in California. I except Obamacare >
> insurances is part of my practice and we have had no problem with these >
> insurances. We have many companies in California in the Obama care program
>> including expanded medic Kayde.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 25, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Maria via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Obama care is dying, so something needs to be done. If there isn't >>
> any new proposals then millions of Americans will be left out in the >>
> cold. Whether we like it or not things cannot continue as is because >>
> Obama care is collapsing and it needs to be replaced. This means >> that
> the government needs to work together to come up with something >> that is
> in the best interest of all Americans. instead of all this >> fear
> mongering and division they need to come together and find > solutions.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karen
>>> Rose via nfb-talk >> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:01 PM >> To: NFB
> Talk Mailing List >> Cc: Karen Rose; Jen >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd:
> {Single Payer} Disabled protesters >> dragged from McConnell's office! So
> where our blind organizations?
> >>
> >> So if we who are working plus the government do not pay for it then >>
> who will? What happens to those who cannot afford to pay for it? Is >>
> healthcare only the right of those who are wealthy? Or a human right >> for
> everyone >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 10:55 PM,
> Loren Wakefield via nfb-talk >> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It probably is not the place for it. However, since you aksed, the
>>>> real >> question is not if healthcare is a humany right; rather, the
> question >> should be, should or should not the government pay for it. And
> that >> is way out of the bounds of this list in my humble opinion. But it
> is >> a very interesting topic.
> >>>
> >>> Loren
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jack
>>>> Heim via nfb-talk >>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 10:26 PM >>> To: NFB
> Talk Mailing List >>> Cc: Jack Heim; Jen >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd:
> {Single Payer} Disabled protesters >>> dragged >> from McConnell's office!
> So where our blind organizations?
> >>>
> >>> Paul Ryan is a fan of Ayn Rand and Rand Paul was named after her. So
>>>> I >> don't think they are going to be swayed by anything the United
> Nations > says.
> >> That might actually work against it. And I am not sure it is possible
>>> to carry on a philosophical debate on this list but I'd be interested >>
> in hearing what the conservatives on this list say. Is health care a >>
> human right?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 06/25/2017 07:47 PM, Jen via nfb-talk wrote:
> >>>> Hi Karen,
> >>>>
> >>>> I feel compelled to add to your message, with which I absolutely
> agree.
> >> In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, health care is stated as
>>> a huam right. I can pull up that part of the UCHR if you want.
> >> Personally, I feel health care is a human right.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jen
> >>>>
> >>>> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>
> Karen Rose via nfb-talk >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:32 PM >>>> To:
> NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> >>>> Cc: Karen Rose
> <rosekm at earthlink.net> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer}
> Disabled protesters >>>> dragged >> from McConnell's office! So where our
> blind organizations?
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the issue here is whether healthcare, not health insurance,
>>>>> is a >> right or a privilege. When we talk about our right to life
> liberty and >> the pursuit of happiness, doesn't that include the right to
> visit a >> doctor when needed and thus to remain alive? If so then we need
>>> Medicare for all in the country from the time we are born to the time we
>> die.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Jack Heim via nfb-talk >>
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ray, you need to learn to con
> >>
> >>
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