[nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer} Disabled protesters dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind organizations?

Tue Jun 27 17:51:05 UTC 2017

Yes, that is what I meant.

Marianne

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dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind organizations?

Marianne, just to be clear, you're talking about Loren's sarcasm, right? 
I mean, you replied to my message but I am guessing you meant to criticize
Loren for saying he hopes Karen is happy when California collapses and she
loses her health care, right?

On 06/27/2017 09:41 AM, Marianne Haas via nfb-talk wrote:
> Good Morning again List,
> I do not think that sarcasm will get us anywhere.  Both sides have 
> good and bad points.  It is true that we cannot spend money we do not 
> have.  Some republicans want to leave the pre existing conditions 
> alone.  Let us encourage them instead of condemning everything Republicans
do.
>
> By the way, I have some Libertarian views.
>
> Marianne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jack 
> Heim via nfb-talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:28 AM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Jack Heim
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [NFB-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer} Disabled 
> protesters dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind
organizations?
>
> Nice going, Loren, you're really making a great case -- for the liberals.
> It reminds me of something though. I've been talking about Senator Ron 
> Johnson ofWisconsin. He has a daughter, who as an infant, had a heart 
> condition  that cost a fortune to fix. Somehow, in Senator Johnson's 
> mind, that's a reason to get rid of the rule requiring providers to 
> accept people with pre-existing conditions. So this rich guy, who 
> married into his money btw, has his daughter get this fabulous 
> treatment and says to himself, "Yeah, I'm going to dedicate the rest 
> of my life to making sure health care providers don't have to cover 
> pre-existing conditions." This is not an exaggeration. His reasoning 
> is a little difficult to follow so I'm just going to provide a link to an
article where he explains it:
> http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/sen-johnson-health-care-freedom-sa
> ved-my -daughter-s-life-obamacare-will-lead-rationing
>
> saved-my-daughter-s-life-obamacare-will-lead-rationing
>
> I don't know about the rest of you but it seems to me that Ron Johnson 
> ought to be saying, "There but for the grace of God go I" instead of 
> trying to take health care away from millions of other Americans.
>
> On 06/27/2017 01:35 AM, Loren Wakefield via nfb-talk wrote:
>  > I hope you enjoy California as it follows Illinois in to total
collapse.
>  > Then absolutely onoone will receive anything.  Enjoy.
>  >
>  > Loren
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Karen Rose  > via nfb-talk  > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:24 AM  > 
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List  > Cc: Karen Rose  > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]
[NFB-talk] Fwd:
> {Single Payer} Disabled protesters  > dragged from McConnell's office! 
> So where our blind organizations?
>  >
>  > Obamacare is doing quite well here in California. I except 
> Obamacare  > insurances is part of my practice and we have had no 
> problem with these  > insurances. We have many companies in California 
> in the Obama care program
>> including expanded medic Kayde.
>  >
>  > Sent from my iPhone
>  >
>  >> On Jun 25, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Maria via nfb-talk 
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Obama care is dying, so something needs to be done.  If there 
> isn't  >> any new proposals then millions of Americans will be left 
> out in the  >> cold.  Whether we like it or not things cannot continue 
> as is because  >> Obama care is collapsing and it needs to be 
> replaced.  This  means  >> that the government needs to work together 
> to come up with something  >> that is in the best interest of all 
> Americans. instead of all this  >> fear mongering and division they need
to come  together and find  > solutions.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> -----Original Message-----
>  >> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Karen
>>> Rose via nfb-talk  >> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:01 PM  >> To: 
>>> NFB
> Talk Mailing List  >> Cc: Karen Rose; Jen  >> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd:
> {Single Payer} Disabled protesters  >> dragged from McConnell's 
> office! So where our blind organizations?
>  >>
>  >> So if we who are working plus the government do not pay for it 
> then  >> who will? What happens to those who cannot afford to pay for 
> it? Is  >> healthcare only the right of those who are wealthy? Or a 
> human right  >> for everyone  >>  >> Sent from my iPhone  >>  >>> On 
> Jun 25, 2017, at 10:55 PM, Loren Wakefield via nfb-talk  >>
<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> It probably is not the place for it.  However, since you aksed, 
> the
>>>> real  >> question is not if healthcare is a humany right; rather, 
>>>> the
> question  >> should be, should or should not the government pay for 
> it.  And that  >> is way out of the bounds of this list in my humble 
> opinion.  But it is  >> a very interesting topic.
>  >>>
>  >>> Loren
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> -----Original Message-----
>  >>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jack
>>>> Heim via nfb-talk  >>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 10:26 PM  >>> 
>>>> To: NFB
> Talk Mailing List  >>> Cc: Jack Heim; Jen  >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk]
Fwd:
> {Single Payer} Disabled protesters  >>> dragged  >> from McConnell's
office!
> So where our blind organizations?
>  >>>
>  >>> Paul Ryan is a fan of Ayn Rand  and Rand Paul was named after 
> her. So
>>>> I  >> don't think they are going to be swayed by anything the 
>>>> United
> Nations  > says.
>  >> That might actually work against it.  And I am not sure it is 
> possible
>>> to carry on a philosophical debate on this list but I'd be 
>>> interested  >>
> in hearing what the conservatives on this list say. Is health care a  
> >> human right?
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>> On 06/25/2017 07:47 PM, Jen via nfb-talk wrote:
>  >>>> Hi Karen,
>  >>>>
>  >>>> I feel compelled to add to your message, with which I absolutely 
> agree.
>  >> In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, health care is 
> stated as
>>> a huam right. I can pull up that part of the UCHR if you want.
>  >> Personally, I feel health care is a human right.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Jen
>  >>>>
>  >>>> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>  >>>>
>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>  >>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of  
> >>>> Karen Rose via nfb-talk  >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:32 PM
>>>> To:
> NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>  >>>> Cc: Karen Rose 
> <rosekm at earthlink.net>  >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: {Single 
> Payer} Disabled protesters  >>>> dragged  >> from McConnell's office! 
> So where our blind organizations?
>  >>>>
>  >>>> I think the issue here is whether healthcare, not health 
> insurance,
>>>>> is a  >> right or a privilege. When we talk about our right to 
>>>>> life
> liberty and  >> the pursuit of happiness, doesn't that include the 
> right to visit a  >> doctor when needed and thus to remain alive? If 
> so then we need
>>> Medicare for all in the country from the time we are born to the 
>>> time we
>> die.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>  >>>>
>  >>>>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Jack Heim via nfb-talk  >> 
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> Ray, you need to learn to con
>  >>
>  >>
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