[Nfb-web] [Nfbnet-webmasters] Question about Lists and Duplicate Messages

Mon Aug 10 20:03:15 UTC 2009

Michael:

i will answer your questions in-line below.

Dave

At 10:39 PM 8/9/2009, Michael Hansen wrote:
>Dave,
>
>1. Let me ask this. When you send messages out today you said you
>select the lists you want to send to. Do you send to all lists? If not
>it is safe to say that there are people (or groups) that use the
>server that you wouldn't normally share this info with. There for
>automaticly subscribing everyone to a list might not be the correct
>choice.

DA:  Right -- this is one of my concerns.  I wouldn't do a mass 
mailing of "secret" or confidential info, but some lists, like 
DTB-Talk and Electronics-Talk for example have specific purposes, and 
the subject matter is blindness-related, but not necessarily NFB 
related.  Further, some lists have problems staying on topic, like 
Electronics-Talk, so I then to minimize mass posts to them.  All this 
means, no perfect solution.

>2. If you use NFB-Announce or some hidden list, could somebody
>unsubscribe themselves from it, and later complain they don't get the
>messages.

DA:  I could control the aspects of the list, and depending on how 
the list was generated, their activity on other lists would determine 
if they were on the master list or lists, or not.

>3. Silly question have you dug into the mailman docs or forums to see
>if there is a way to configure a admin to be able to send to a list
>that has all other lists as child lists and not sendout duplicates?
>(all though this still requires some consideration of my first point)

DA:  Yes, it is possible, and that is the approach I am leaning 
towards.  There however is one major drawback to this approach -- 
anybody subscribed in digest mode would be skipped.  That may be an 
acceptable price to pay, for other benefits, but I am undecided so 
far.  My educated guess is that five to ten percent of list members 
are digested.

Dave

>Good Luck
>Mike
>---
>Mike Hansen
>NFB of Nebraska
>
>
>On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Digest Dave<digest-dave at visi.com> wrote:
> > I am thinking about using one or several lists to reach everybody, or
> > sub-sets of everybody.  I could use nfb-announce for this 
> purpose, or one or
> > more specially created lists.  There is also a way to subscribe lists to a
> > master list, and avoiding dupes, which I am leaning towards.  Subscribing
> > everybody to nfb-announce involves monkeying around with scripts, and isn't
> > necessarily as selective.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 07:45 PM 8/9/2009, Peter Donahue wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Dave,
> >>
> >>    Why not just subscribe all NFB Net users to the NFB-Announce List and
> >> use it for distributing important news from the federation family.
> >> Subscribers will then receive only one message from the NFB-Announce List
> >> knocking out the duplication problem.
> >>
> >> Peter Donahue
> >>
> >> --- Original Message -----
> >> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> >> To: <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>; <nfbnet-webmasters at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 7:24 PM
> >> Subject: [Nfbnet-webmasters] Question about Lists and Duplicate Messages
> >>
> >>
> >> I sent this message to the nfb-moderators list -- people who moderate
> >> or watch various lists on nfbnet.org.  I would appreciate any
> >> feedback from anyone on the nfb-web and nfbnet-webmasters
> >> lists.  While you don't necessarily moderate any lists here, you are
> >> hopefully more cyber-sophisticated than the average bear -- did I
> >> just invent a word?(smile.).
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> >Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:19:44 -0500
> >> >To: nfb-moderators at nfbnet.org
> >> >From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> >> >Subject: [Nfb-moderators] Question about Lists and Duplicate Messages
> >> >
> >> >Hi:
> >> >
> >> >I have a question for all of you.  Please let me know what you think
> >> >-- and if you want to poll your list(s) feel free.
> >> >
> >> >As you know I send out messages of general interest on a fairly
> >> >regular basis.  They are usually convention-related stuff,
> >> >knfb-reader stuff, other stuff of interest to the NFB and its
> >> >members, and/or other blindness-related information.  I send these
> >> >messages out by picking the lists I want it to go
> >> >to.  Unfortunately, as the number and diversity of the lists has
> >> >increased it is likely that any one individual will be subscribed to
> >> >two or more lists.  So, if I do a mass mailing, you may get multiple
> >> >copies of the message.
> >> >
> >> >This is annoying to some, and a growing problem.  There isn't an
> >> >easy, or ideal solution, basically it involves making a list of
> >> >lists to which everybody is subscribed automatically.  Then when I
> >> >want to send out a message, I send just to the all-subscribers list,
> >> >and duplicates are avoided.  Do people think this is a good idea, or
> >> >will you or others object being subscribed to a hidden list, and
> >> >receiving mail from it?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for your input.
> >> >
> >> >Dave
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >Nfb-moderators mailing list
> >> >Nfb-moderators at nfbnet.org
> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-moderators_nfbnet.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
> >> >signature database 4320 (20090809) __________
> >> >
> >> >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
> >> >
> >> >http://www.eset.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Nfbnet-webmasters mailing list
> >> Nfbnet-webmasters at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbnet-webmasters_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> Nfbnet-webmasters:
> >>
> >> 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbnet-webmasters_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Nfbnet-webmasters mailing list
> >> Nfbnet-webmasters at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbnet-webmasters_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> Nfbnet-webmasters:
> >>
> >> 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbnet-webmasters_nfbnet.org/digest-dave%40visi.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nfbnet-webmasters mailing list
> > Nfbnet-webmasters at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbnet-webmasters_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > Nfbnet-webmasters:
> > 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbnet-webmasters_nfbnet.org/mhansen4%40gmail.com
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>Nfbnet-webmasters mailing list
>Nfbnet-webmasters at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbnet-webmasters_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>for Nfbnet-webmasters:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbnet-webmasters_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>
>
>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus 
>signature database 4320 (20090809) __________
>
>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
>http://www.eset.com