[Nfb-web] Using Drupal on Safari

Wed Jan 7 08:23:09 UTC 2009

Peter,

As I recall most of those problems were do to the WYSIWYG editor built
into X Catalyst. Becuase Drupal doesn't use a WYSWYG editor by default
formating is typically done using HTML and CSS tags. So it is entirely
accessible.

Mike
---
Mike Hansen

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hello Mike H. and listers,
>
>    I knew they were both content management systems, but was wondering if
> Drupal has more keyboard shortcuts than X Catalyst and if the same problem
> we had with X Catalyst happens in Drupal. Recall that we tried selecting
> text for formatting. If we moved off of the selected text to activate the X
> Catalyst commands for formatting text the text would be deselected and we
> could not do the formatting. Some of us also had trouble creating links with
> X Catalyst as well. If you tried creating a link when you viewed your
> document the HTML was displayed instead of the highlighted text to alert the
> visitor that that text was a hyper link. I'm wondering how this is handled
> in Drupal and if this is a problem there too, or can one activate keystrokes
> in order to keep the text selected for formatting, insertion of hyperlinks,
> creating forns, etc. That's what I was getting at with my question. Thanks
> for the great information.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Hansen" <mhansen4 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB Webmaster's List" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Using Drupal on Safari
>
>
> Peter,
>
> Good question. I could answer it by asking whats the difference
> between a Packmate and a Braille Note? Drupal and X Catalyst are both
> Content Management Systems (CMS). So for the benefit of others, a
> Content Management System is a web based application tht runs on your
> webserver. At a minimum it provides a method of authentiation (to be
> able to log in and out) and a method to create web content via a
> system of web forms. This is ment to make it easier for non HTML savy
> people be able to maintain a website. It also allows you to update
> content no mater where you are as long as you have web access.
>
> Many Content Management Systems go far beyond this though by allow you
> to create different types of content like (polls, forums and, user
> provided comments). Many CMS's also provide a mechanism for other
> programmers to right add-on modules to further enhance the features
> available in the CMS. For instance on the NFB of Nebraska website I am
> working on I have modules installed to help with backups, allow for
> online sales and, host a picture gallery.
>
> Now Peter specificly the differences I have found between Drupal and X
> Catalyst.
>
> 1. ITS FREE. Now this obviously means that the price is right, but in
> this case it also means that there is a huge user base and development
> community.
>
> 2. Since drupal has such a large development community there is a huge
> amount of add-on modules available for it.
>
> 3. Now I use drupal vissually but I know from reading on the website
> there is a consious effort to keep the core of drupal accessible to
> the blind. This consious through on the developer part was on of the
> key reasons I choose to persue it. alot of drupals competitors are
> mouse over menu driven and I imagine potentially very difficult to
> navigate with a screen reader. Drupal is navigated purely by hyper
> links.
>
> 4. If you have gotten a chance to try X Catalyst you should recall the
> What You See Is What You Get (WYSIWYG) editor. Drupal can have one of
> these, if you load the right add-on module, but by default it relys on
> the CSS of the site and the content developer to know some basic html,
> so you can format your content using HTML or PHP as you type it in.
>
> 5. Conceptuall X Catalyst had 2 sides to it a development side and a
> published side. Drupal implements this feature a little differently.
> There isn't 2 seperate interfaces you just have to conciiously publish
> content. Each peice of content has a published atribute. If you
> publish something then the world can see it, but only a content
> developer will see it untel it is published.
>
> Let me know if I didn't hit on something you were wondering about or
> if you have further questions.
>
> I will say I was a little intimidated by drupal when i first installed
> it. To me it was a completely new way to look at website development.
> Until I got use to how it works I found myself getting frustrated
> because I knew how to do something the old way but not necessarily in
> drupal. I am happy to say though that I am now very comfortable with
> drupal.
>
> Unlike some of you I would not call myself a developer but instead a
> integrator. I am good at taking other peoples work (programs) and
> making them work together. Working with Drupal has forced me to begin
> to learn PHP and CSS. This has been a struggle but I don't regret it.
>
> Mike
> ---
> Mike Hansen
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> Hello Michael,
>>
>>    Can you explain how Drupal differs from X Catalyst?
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Hansen" <mhansen4 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB Webmaster's List" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Using Drupal on Safari
>>
>>
>> Couple notes on Drupal,
>>
>> 1. I am about ready to cut the nfb webmasters site over to a drupal
>> version. I am working out some of the last details but it will allow
>> us a password protected site (one of the original requests by Gary). I
>> am also looking at allowing members to contribute content that way we
>> have a place besides email to share ideas.
>>
>> 2. I have a Drupal NFB Affiliate template that I have worked up over
>> the last few days. It is roughly the same layout as the Offical NFB
>> Affiliate templates and uses the same color sceme but still needs some
>> work to be exactly the same. If any one is interested in it let me
>> know.
>>
>> 3. If there is interest I would be happy to setup a Drupal Sandbox
>> members could experiment with.
>>
>> Oh and by the way drupal is awesome, I have to thank Atty for turning
>> me on to it.
>> ---
>> Mike Hansen
>> NFB of Nebraska
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:57 AM, The Crowd <the_crowd at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Some hosting companies are still not up to 6.8 though, unfortunately.
>>>
>>> Atty
>>>
>>> Life is short ...forgive quickly, kiss slowly, love truly,  laugh
>>> uncontrollably... and never regret anything that made you smile
>>>
>>> "Qui docet, discit."
>>> "He who teaches, learns"
>>>
>>> I have learned that people will forget what you said,
>>> people will forget what you did,
>>> but people will never forget how you made them feel.
>>> Maya Angelou
>>>
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