[Nfbc-info] Web Site Host Recommendation

Sat Dec 6 05:02:35 UTC 2008

Hello Michael and listers,

    Since NFB Net is funded by the NFB only NFB affiliate sites can be 
hosted by this service. I was under the impression that your affiliate 
needed a new home for your Web Site which is why I mentioned these two 
hosting possibilities. The NFBC Web Site is maintained better than other 
affiliate sites I've visited. Keep up the good work.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Peterson" <its_mike at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Web Site Host Recommendation

    Hi Peter! Thanks that sounds like great advice for affiliates but does
Dave rent space for private non NFB sites?
The $1,000 nfb site sounds great over a life time in fact judging by the
godady fee it would pay itself off in ten years or so and the Federation
would benefit but I'm a starving student at this point anyway, well maybe
not quite starving but I don't have that much loose change at present.
I do have a new Agrade  in course 687 though and for the moment to me that's
worth $1,000 but not for trade.
Hopefully I'll do the same in my other class in the next couple days.
Seriously though if Dave sells space and Terra can handle the web builders
there it's definitely worth our consideration.
Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:13 PM
Subject: [Nfbc-info] Web Site Host Recommendation

> Good evening everyone,
>
>    If you're contemplating moving your affiliate Web site to a new host
> there are two strongly recommended options you could choose from. You can
> have the site hosted on the NFB's server for a one-time charge of $1000.00
> which includes access to the NFB's content management system. However
> there
> are certain operations which can be problematic with this interface. I was
> in Baltimore for the Webmasters seminar this past February and had
> first-hand experience using the X Catilyst Content Management System,
> (CMS)
> and have knowledge of its usability by a blind Web developer.
>
>    The second option would be to have your affiliate Web site hosted on
> NFB
> Net. Although you would still need to pay for domain registration David
> Andrews can host affiliate Web sites free of charge. Since the NFB has
> direct control over these servers there's no worry about third parties
> changing the interface effecting your ability to manage the site
> independently, Dave can give you whatever you need in terms of system
> resources, and there are lots of us who can jump in to assist you whenever
> you feel you need help with site development and management. Just thought
> I
> would jump in with my two cents on this matter.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Peterson" <its_mike at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>
>
>    One thing I think the technology committee will address or should is
> social network sites are set up to be user friendly for anyone that is if
> your not using a screen reader.
> Now a person with advanced knowledge of jaws or window-eyes can
> successfully
> navigate those sites to a greater or lesser extent.
> But the average user can't.
> so the standard is different it's not just about using a screen reader to
> access it's about is the blind user the average blind user of a  screen
> reader given the same degree of access  as the sighted.
> In fact I suspect if every blind user was polled it's likely during
> 2003-2008 someone maybe with limited vision or superior knowledge a blind
> person did or could hav used target or a limited number of features on
> targets site.
>  Nevertheless the average blind person using the standard screen reader
> couldn''t.
>
> Also the folks who say they use the networks successfully aren't using all
> the features such as chat equally to their sighted counterparts who may be
> employees employers etc on a social network.  One of the things that draws
> sighted folks to social networks is chat with all the features it's more
> than just yahoo messenger or msn messenger.  access limited access is no
> more equal than requiring a black man to use a separate bathroom or eat at
> a
> separate lunch counter or ride at the back of the bus.  Well what is the
> problem anyway, he's on the bus isn't he?
> Glad Rosanna Parks didn't see it that way!
> It's limited not equal.
>
> Another related problem we just started having outside of social networks
> is
> we have a website. Godaddy has made the web building feature so graphical
> that we are going to be forced to find another website provider.
> Terra can use Angelfire but it's twice as expensive.
> That's not something specifically required by the resolutions but if blind
> folks want to have websites like the sighted it seems like they should be
> accessible and in this instance we are paying for the service it is a
> cyber
> store so the ADA should cover it.
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Miller" <brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu>
> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>
>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> I think part of the intent of the Target lawsuit was to try and establish
>> the principle of online sites as facilities equivalent to brick and
>> mortar
>> stores, therefore being covered under the ADA, addressing the point you
>> succinctly make below.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Tim Elder
>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:06 AM
>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>>
>> Unlike Target.com, there is no Brick and Mortar physical Facebook store
>> to
>> link a law suit to facebook.  The Target suit was only successful because
>> they  have physical stores which are in fact covered by the ADA.  Without
>> physical stores overlapping the web-based services, there isn't much good
>> law to base a suit upon.  So far, the reach of the ADA to web-only
>> services
>> is extremely limited.
>>
>> That being said, updating to the latest version of your browser (Internet
>> Explorer 7, Firefox etc.)and the Flash player plug-in version 10 makes a
>> big
>> difference in accessibility of facebook.  Also, Jim Barber mentioned on
>> another list that m.facebook.com is another good alternative way to
>> access
>> facebook.
>>
>> I did have one question for the list though:  For those using facebook
>> with
>> some success, I am wondering if the chat function is accessible.  As far
>> as
>> I can tell, the chat function isn't usable, even though I can access most
>> other functions.  Jim?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC
>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:32 PM
>> To: NFB of California List
>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was wondering what we've done about the social networking website
>> resolution.
>>
>> I have desperately tried to learn the layout of the new FaceBook, but I
>> swear the page is refreshing. Plus, certain aspects of the page just
>> don't
>> read well with JAWS. for instance, JAWS will say, "---- has accepted your
>> friend request." I have no idea who may have accepted my friend request
>> because JAWS doesn't read it. But something is there.
>>
>> It is getting to be quite frustrating especially since many groups,
>> organizations, etc. are on FaceBook. My high school class reunion is
>> starting to organize on FaceBook and I can't access everything.
>>
>> If we sued Target, why aren't we suing FaceBook?
>>
>> LM
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